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  •  i'm not certain, but (4+ / 0-)
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    i think they're already around

    our knowledge of space time and other dimensions is inadequate to rule out the kind of movement needed for aliens to be around.

    we need to open all govt files on the subject.

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    by certainot on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 11:43:07 AM PDT

    •  We're just beginning (4+ / 0-)
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      to understand the Higgs Field. What if there's a way to block it, rendering objects effectively massless? Pilots reports seeing acceleration and maneuvers by UFOs that indicate this. And massless objects wouldn't  be limited to light speed.

      •  interesting bit of wild speculation there. (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't know enough physics to comment on the potential for blocking the Higgs field, but then come the questions of how to obtain effective propulsion under those conditions, and what would happen to living organisms.  

        Back in the late 1950s, various aerospace companies were poking around at the edges of concepts for gravity-interactive propulsion systems (per Nick Cook, Jane's Defence Weekly) with the idea of duplicating UFO performance.  As far as anyone knows (and Cook certainly tried to find out) this wasn't successful.  Whether something like it could be done at some point in the future remains to be seen.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 01:58:09 PM PDT

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      •  I'm excited about the potential of the Higgs too. (3+ / 0-)
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        Not that I have any kind of detailed knowledge of it beyond the mere fact that it's responsible for mass.  Just speaking off the top of my head though, I don't think you'd want to make anything massless, because how could you restore its mass once it had basically turned into a beam of energy?  It seems more likely that you could manipulate mass to advantageous propulsive effect - reducing or increasing it in ways that radically optimize propulsion and allow for insane acceleration like you mention.  But that's like a century away, if it's even possible.

        But "UFOs" are just weather phenomena, meteorites, or human aircraft.

        Technology is a compromise: You can use whatever tool you choose, but be assured it will use you back.

        by Troubadour on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:14:53 PM PDT

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        •  some of them (0+ / 0-)

          Maybe even a lot of them. Probably a lot of them. But those three explanations can't account for some very interesting cases, reported by credible, intelligent observers.

          All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

          by subtropolis on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:42:05 PM PDT

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    •  Occam's Razor says not. (6+ / 0-)

      Incomplete knowledge of physics is not an argument for the existence of phenomena there is no basis for.  It's just another version of defending religious beliefs by saying that we can't prove them wrong.  Since there are an infinite number of equally unfalsifiable suppositions, the probability of any one of them being true is infinitely low.

      Technology is a compromise: You can use whatever tool you choose, but be assured it will use you back.

      by Troubadour on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:09:20 PM PDT

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      •  yeah but you're being completely rational (0+ / 0-)

        and there is still the problem of UFOs that i just can't accept don't exist, especially after having heard a long time friend relate his own abduction, after many years of not telling.

        and then there are  all the images and eyewitnesses, including ex military and pilots, etc.

        and my own eyes....

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        by certainot on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:16:40 PM PDT

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        •  UFO = Unidentified Flying Object. (4+ / 0-)
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          Yes, there are flying objects that are unidentified by someone, somewhere, seeing them at some time.  There are also unidentified objects sitting on tables in restaurants, resting on pedestals in art galleries, and in every other context of existence.  How do you get from an object being unidentified to supposing it's a craft piloted by extraterrestrials?  Why not a time machine piloted by the genetically reincarnated Julius Caesar?  

          As I say, there are an infinite number of random suppositions you could make about anything whose exact nature you don't know.  That shadowed area in the corner of your room might be exactly the same thing it is when there's a light shining on it, or it might be a doorway into another dimension where Poland is the most powerful nation on Earth and bluegrass is the most popular form of music.  Come on.

          Technology is a compromise: You can use whatever tool you choose, but be assured it will use you back.

          by Troubadour on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:25:32 PM PDT

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          •  UFOs and (1+ / 0-)
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            How do you get from an object being unidentified to supposing it's a craft piloted by extraterrestrials?  Why not a time machine piloted by the genetically reincarnated Julius Caesar?
            Because your alternative is absurd.

            Could technologically superior civilisations exist out there? "Sure." Think they can get here? "No, i doubt that they can do that." Did Julius Caeser exist? "Sure did." Think he was genitically reincarnated and flies around in a time machine? "Are you on drugs?"

            I think your argument is dishonest. If we can allow that they may exist, it behooves us to not disregard the possibility that they can get here from there.

            Do people jump to conclusions about things they see in the sky? Absolutely. And it's reasonable to presume that many reports are just that. But there are records of sightings—by the military, scientists, police—that suggest something very bizarre is indeed going on.

            All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

            by subtropolis on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 04:02:37 PM PDT

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          •  Ridicule isn't argument. (1+ / 0-)
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            How about credible eye witness testimony?

            http://www.youtube.com/...

            And more like it here:

            http://www.youtube.com/...

            These are retired high ranking military, air force and FAA officials who have gone on record with what they have seen and experienced.

            "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

            "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

            by native on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 05:00:31 PM PDT

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          •  i'm very suspicious of your certainty of what can (0+ / 0-)

            be and what can't...

            there wouldn't be much creation or exploration if we had to be certain of the outcome before we tried it.

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            by certainot on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 05:14:45 PM PDT

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          •  Well, I am comforted now. (2+ / 0-)
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            I know that it isn't only archaeologists who get their research and dedication to the truth passed aside in favor of pure unadulterated speculation.

            I am confronted with the Bosnian Pyramids, Ancient Aliens, and various other stuff that has absolutely no evidence on a pretty regular basis.

            When I say, "no really, I have a Ph.D. and I have spent a lot of time studying, excavating, and mining libraries--here is all the data I have, and there really is absolutely no evidence to support that idea"  

            I get the standard

            "Your just being an uppity academic, no one could possibly know the truth. So, you can't really discount the ideas of that filmmaker turned pseudo researcher."

            "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

            by ranger995 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 08:28:28 PM PDT

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      •  You're Right On Here (3+ / 0-)
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        Occam does not watch Ancient Aliens.

        I think, even if we are dealing with some sort of unexplained phenomenon, why do we need to go all the way out to another star and another civilization? If there is actually something at work that is "beyond our science", then to  put it under the hood of a little disk-shaped spaceship driven by little green dudes from Alpha Centauri seems a very, very complicated solution.

        If there is real phenomenon being witnessed, and I agree that that has by no means been proven, then it seems much simpler to me to say that this phenomenon is something intrinsic to the earth herself. Something that is here already, or maybe going on in our minds, that is truly beyond our science.

        Right about now I like to trot out a quote from Childhood's End

        There are powers of the mind, and powers beyond the mind, which your science could never have brought within its framework without shattering it entirely. All down the ages there have been countless reports of strange phenomena poltergeists, telepathy, precognition which you had named but never explained. At first Science ignored them, even denied their existence, despite the testimony of five thousand years. But they exist and if it is to be complete any theory of the universe must account for them. - Arthur C. Clarke
         It's possible. To paraphrase him this time; the truth, as always, will be far stranger.

        "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov

        by Hammerhand on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 04:35:11 PM PDT

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        •  i bet he'd have watched if he'd gotten the right (1+ / 0-)
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          cable package.

          Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face - H. Dresden.

          by bnasley on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 06:32:34 PM PDT

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