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  •  As is well known, some of the best doctors (15+ / 0-)

    are in Cuba who has also shared its expertise and doctors with many other countries; that is where Chavez goes for treatment, as did Maradona for his problem. He goes where the specialists are ... this is the only response that I will make to a comment whose sole purpose is to troll the diary. Have a nice day ...

    "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

    by NY brit expat on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 03:44:34 PM PDT

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    •  I'd say it would be pretty shitty (2+ / 0-)
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      For this Chavez joker to come here for treatment when he has a low opinion of the country. Of course it's rather cute that he goes to Cuba so that just in case he's closer to the US than to any place else if something goes wrong and he needs further aid.

      I have a question or two about Venzuela: With all of that oil money how's their infrastructure? Good paves roads? Municipal water for everyone? Well-built homes? Everyone have heat when they need it? Total telephone service?

      And, how's the employment figures? Everyone have a job? I guess there's no discrimination there since Chavez is the guy in charge, huh?

      •  Ask yourself those same questions about the US n/t (15+ / 0-)

        Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

        by reflectionsv37 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 04:01:45 PM PDT

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      •  From My Personal Experience Here in Mérida.... (16+ / 0-)

        The roads are fine, as is the water, gas and electrical connections.  All my utility bills (gas, water, electricity, internet, and condominium fees, comes to less than $15.00 a month.  

        I have no medical, dental, optical or laboratory test bills, and have a neighborhood clinic available within a few blocks.  Good specialists are available at the public hospital less than 1/2 a block away.

        After graduating from college in Oregon, my son has thousands of dollars in educational loans to pay off.  Here public university education (and all public elementary and high schools) is free, so students have no loans to pay off.

        Venezuela has never claimed to be a perfect socialist society, it had much to do, but it is presently a much more human society than I witnessed in the U.S., and I lived in one of the U.S.'s most progressive states, Hawaii.

        The great programs that the Chavez government has put in place here in Venezuela are desperately needed in the U.S., especially given the economic debacle, but under the present capitalist system, Americans are unlikely to get them.

        Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

        by Justina on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 04:25:50 PM PDT

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        •  I feel like packing a bag right now. (6+ / 0-)

          De air is de air. What can be done?

          by TPau on Sun Apr 08, 2012 at 04:32:06 PM PDT

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        •  And we need to remember that Venezuela had been (3+ / 0-)

          bled via colonialism of the West. And they manage to provide a decent living for their citizens in spite of that. What excuse does the US have?  In the richest country in the world people are making soup from ketchup :

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/...

          The stench of imperialism makes me puke.

          "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

          by Funkygal on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 02:04:28 AM PDT

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        •  More photos, audio, video. (1+ / 0-)
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          If you have access to a digital camera, decent digital audio recorder, and video camera, it would be most interesting to have pictures, sound, and video of normal everyday life there.

          English translations would be helpful for conversations.

          Clearly we aren't getting the real story here: the last thing I remember in American TV about Venezuela was cynical and defeatist, and that was years ago.  Yet clearly per your diary, the nation is thriving, Chavez is continuing his various programs and initiatives, people are happy and optimistic.

          I tend to be skeptical of rapid change.  I recall wondering, after the Sandinistas took over Nicaragua, when the bloodbath would come.  But they outlawed the death penalty and there was no bloodbath other than the depredations of the Contras, who killed someone I knew.  

          As for Cuba, the eye-opener for me was how they handled their equivalent of the peak oil crisis, and basically converted to a post-petroleum economy with, as they say, "everyone losing 20 pounds but nobody starving to death."  That would be an optimistic scenario for our own outcome from peak oil.  And, whether anyone likes it or not, Castro gets major points for having the smarts to figure out what was needed and put it into effect.

          We hear almost nothing about South America up here, and most of what we hear is not good.

          So I'm looking forward to hearing more from you about Venezuela.  I think there's much we can learn from, going on there now.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 01:16:38 AM PDT

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    •  Ain't that just the way (0+ / 0-)

      The rich and well-connected go abroad for the best health care, the poor have to stay behind and get substandard treatment.

      •  People in US get care denied by insurance (2+ / 0-)
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        companies. 50 million have no health insurance. Just saying.

        "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

        by Funkygal on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 02:06:45 AM PDT

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      •  Now Many Americans "Go Abroad" for Health Care. (1+ / 0-)
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        They are going to Mexico, Canada, Costa Rica, Panama, even Nicaragua for dental and medical procedure that they cannot afford to have done in the U.S.  

        Many non-Americans are going to Cuba for health care for the same reasons. The UN ranks Cuba as having one of the top healthcare systems in the world.  It educates doctors and other medical personnel from other countries for free (even Americans) and sends its own medical personnel to trouble spots around the world, such as Haiti and Africa, to provide free services.  

        The Cubans helped to build Venezuela's free neighborhood medical clinics (Mission Barrio Adentro) which now provide free healthcare to millions here who could never afford it  before.

        The U.S. is the most expensive country in the world for health care, and fifty million of its 300+ million citizens cannot afford to pay for it.  

        Many along the U.S.-Mexican border go to Mexico for dental and health care, while others try to access the excellent Canadian system to the north.

        The U.S. may have the most technologically advanced healthcare, but that is available only to the minority of its population which can afford it.  The majority of us cannot.

        Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

        by Justina on Mon Apr 09, 2012 at 06:43:40 AM PDT

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