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    you are claiming the right to define what "Christian" means.  You can do that of course, but it's an ironic mirror of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.  

    There's nothing wrong with ginning up your own private lexicon, but you can't insist that conclusions I grant you under that lexicon apply outside of talking with you. This is precisely what Republicans do with the "socialist" label.  They use their own private definition then blur the lines between that and the historically accepted one.

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 07:47:19 AM PDT

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    •  This isn't a discussion (2+ / 0-)
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      about who really is and is not a Christian.  This is a discussion about a worldly institution composed of a very large group of people that call themselves Christian that wield tremendous economic and political power and that are seriously screwing with the lives of others.  Your semantic gymnastics just muddy the issue and make it more difficult to respond to this very serious problem.  If you're a genuine Christian you would get over yourself, cease being defensive, and side with the oppressed in marginalized that are being attacked by these groups.  You wouldn't make it a discussion about yourself.

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      define christian for anybody other than themselves, neither you nor I; history does that.

      History tells us that Christ wasn't a christian. That name was and is applied to those who came after him and claimed to follow, interpret and or represent him. Those folks are a very mixed bag and RW is most definitely among them. Claiming otherwise is indeed a variant of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 09:50:54 AM PDT

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