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  •  Er, did you read the diary Gooserock? (2+ / 0-)
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    It actually calls for collaboration, not exclusion.

    •  it's a very shallow view of collaboration, (0+ / 0-)

      one can only collaborate on your terms.  It confuses means and ends.

      The case for the religious left can be made without the NTS fallacy, and the NTS fallacy can be committed without ill-intent.  And sometimes it's not a fallacy.  What if someone says Scotsmen are English?  

      The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

      by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:03:04 AM PDT

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      •  Siding with the oppressed (0+ / 0-)

        and marginalized is a central, if not the central, Christian ethical principle.  That's not "doing it on my terms" but recognizing that siding with the oppressed means recognizing the injustice done to them, learning how to hear it, and fighting to right it.

        •  you just argued yourself in a circle (1+ / 0-)
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          is Rick Warren not a true Christian?  It's one thing to misunderstand the comment you respond to, as you again do here, it's quite another to misstate your own diary.

          Other than the view you and you alone seem to have that any discussion of religion as a possible good is objectively pro-saddam, what evidence do you have that anyone is for oppression?  To go back to a point I made earlier, what have you done that's made the case against oppression more effectively and with greater impact than the Episcopal Church.

          The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

          by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:31:35 AM PDT

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        •  it actually is on your terms. (3+ / 0-)
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          it's not your place to dictate to Christians  how they practice their Christianity.  Many Christians fight for the oppressed--many don't, and do their own thing.

          But 'progressive' Christians are allowed, just as any other Christians, to fight or not fight on their own terms.  That doesn't make them any less 'progressive', or any less 'Christian'.

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