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  •  put another way, (0+ / 0-)

    please explain why "without qualification" excludes defending the particulars of one's own faith.  "Not all Christians are X" is not a statement that qualifies opposition to sexism unless you want it to be, which is a particularly mendacious strawman.  It can either be relevant or irrelevant to the discussion, and if it's irrelevant to the discussion, it would be fine to question motive.  That is, religion doesn't much belong in a discussion of contraception access, no matter what Timothy Cardinal Dolan says.  But it's very likely going to be relevant to a discussion of Rick Warren, himself, and insisting otherwise essentially says there's not only one permissible view of the man but only one permissible way to discuss him.  That's putting words in other people's mouths.  What's more, that being right on issues of gay rights and so forth somehow immunizes statements that are on their face attacks on other people's religious faith, even where there's not a personal conflict between faith and liberal moral conviction.  

    The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

    by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 10:43:26 AM PDT

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    •  Because it changes the subject (0+ / 0-)

      from fighting that sexism therefore reinforcing that sexism and giving it cover.

      •  i understand what point you want to make, (0+ / 0-)

        but there's a leap there that doesn't work.  changing the subject from fighting sexism is not actually giving cover to sexism in all cases -- it matters why, and in the example given, it's not really changing the subject if you're the one introducing religion in the first place.  You could make the case that considering the launching point was a discussion of Rick Warren's politics, you're doing the derailing.

        The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

        by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 11:13:03 AM PDT

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