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  •  If you only say don't lash out at all Christians (1+ / 0-)
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    that is.

    If your comment is focused on another way forward, if it is part of an argument that is going on in parallel, then it may be more part of a conversation.

    Are you listening to their problem and complaint or are you just defending yourself as a Christian?

    "All things are not equally true. It is time to face reality." -Al Gore

    by Geek of all trades on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 01:50:08 PM PDT

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    •  i'm not a Christian, (1+ / 0-)
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      but the rest of your comment has too many pronouns to make sense of.  To the extent possible, I do take seriously complaints about homophobia, sexism, etc.  I don't take the diarist's complaint about how to discuss the intersection of these issues and religion seriously at all.  Unless someone is saying Warren and his ilk literally aren't Christians, the whole fallacy isn't implicated, and to the extent someone is saying that Warren and his ilk simply happen to be bad at reading the Bible, and that if they were better at reading the Bible they'd be in more agreement with progressive causes, that's not derailment/cover/whatever you want to call it.  It can be a helpful suggestion on how to engage potential allies.  Or it can simply be a perfectly valid statement of viewpoint or correction of the record.  

      The study of law was certainly a strange discipline. -- Yukio Mishima

      by Loge on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 05:18:20 PM PDT

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