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  •  For crying out loud (1+ / 0-)
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    why should anyone on this site give a flying fuck what the Catholic Bishops say?

    Their entire organization has been so discredited by the tens of thousands of abused children that I totally cringe when they're held up as a paragon of morality in any sense at all.

    Why do we do that at this site?  Really~!!

    •  the issue is not about what the Bishops say (11+ / 0-)

      the issue is yet another instance of Republicon hypocrisy--Ryan claims his faith is an excuse for his budget, thinking that we don't know any better.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

      by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 01:08:57 PM PDT

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    •  As a Catholic, I care what the Catholic Bishops (2+ / 0-)
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      say, and I agree with most of it.

      An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 01:24:37 PM PDT

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    •  Did you actually read the article? (5+ / 0-)

      This is about Ryan saying he is acting in accordance with the teachings of the church, when he is not. It's about Ryan's hypocrisy, not the manifold failings of the Catholic Bishops of the USA.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 01:52:29 PM PDT

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      •  Really, what are the teachings of The Church? (1+ / 0-)
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        that it is fine to abuse hundreds of thousands of children?

        For the life of me, I don't get how this shit can be so vociferously promoted/excused on a "progressive" website . .. .

        . .. . which gives me even greater appreciation for Sinead O'Connors' SNL courage dissing of the pope 25 or so years ago.    

        Really, hundreds of thousands of kids have had their lives destroyed, and it's OK as long as a political point can be made???

        WTF is up with that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        •  The teachings of the Church (3+ / 0-)
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          are not the same as the teachings of the Roman Catholic hierarchy (unless you're a super-hard-core Catholic).

          Furthermore, it seems pretty clear that in the abuse cases the Church acted against its own teachings in favor of its own hierarchy - confusing the priesthood for the Church and protecting the wrong one.

          Again, though, if Paul Ryan said he was writing laws based on the teachings of Ayn Rand, it would be worthwhile to point out contradictions, even if Ayn Rand is as cynical and soulless a creature as one could possibly imagine.

          In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

          by blue aardvark on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 02:12:15 PM PDT

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          •  OK, I give up (0+ / 0-)

            I'm clearly no match for two millenia of Obfuscation

            •  You're no match (1+ / 0-)
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              for the idea that a religion which claims all human beings are imperfect is run by obviously imperfect people.

              It's sort of a "Duh" moment.

              In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

              by blue aardvark on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 02:18:45 PM PDT

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              •  Why do you condone the abuse of (0+ / 0-)

                hundreds of thousands of children?

                By blindly supporting the Catholic Church, there is no other way to spin this.

                •  Oh drop dead (0+ / 0-)

                  I'm not Catholic and don't support them at all.

                  In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

                  by blue aardvark on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 05:53:48 AM PDT

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                  •  OK then, I apologize (0+ / 0-)

                    It just seemed to me that you were acting as an apologist for the Catholic Church - which is one of the most powerful organizations on this Planet and greatly abuses that power.

                    But if you weren't doing that, my bad, I have no idea what the point of your posts were in that case.

                    In the "bigger picture" if is just profoundly depressing that this site (or at least frontpagers hereat) has taken to discrediting republicans by appealling to total scumwads like Ronald Reagan and the Catholic Church.  

                    Really, can't they be totally dissed on their own merits????  

                    •  That people who are wrong about some things (0+ / 0-)

                      can be right about other things.

                      That is, there may very well be things of value in the Catholic teachings regarding social justice.

                      And so when Paul Ryan says he is motivated by his Catholic faith in his treatment of the poor - and the Catholic teachings resonate with a left wing agenda, not Paul Ryan's cruelty - then it is worth our time to point that out.

                      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

                      by blue aardvark on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 08:08:07 AM PDT

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            •  Congitive dissonance... (3+ / 0-)
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              You're letting the actions of the church get in the way of the teachings of the church.

              Don't do that!

              The US Conference of Bishops very clearly puts emphasis on social programs that favor the poor and disadvantaged.  They know that without them, their guidance on abortion, family and life choices would impossible.  You can't have one without the other.  You can't pick and choose.  

              Now. we're not asking you to agree with their worldview.  (Lord knows, I sure don't...) We're just informing you that their world view is more comprehensive than "don't have abortions or use birth control."  It also includes "feed the hungry, spend money on education, not war, and treat workers with dignity" among other things.

              Ryan is picking and choosing from the menu.  

              To me, the greater sin is that the bishops place more emphasis on birth control than they do on any of the other tenets they espouse.  Since they do that, I can see your point that we should not be surprised that Rep. Ryan does the same.

        •  If you are so pure or offended that you won't (1+ / 0-)
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          use those assholes' OWN statements against BOTH organizations effectively, then your lens on life is a tad myopic.
          Ryan has offered Progressives a wide-open "Gimme!" to whack him hard with the statements of a group with whom HE identifies.
          Don't cut off your nose to spite your face - here's a 24 karat whammy to clobber the bastard and expose the despicable hypocrisy behind his legislation using HIS OWN Supporters!!!!

          Of course it hurts! You're being screwed by an Elephant!

          by CAPitBull on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 03:15:23 PM PDT

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        •  No, those aren't the teachings of the Church. (0+ / 0-)
    •  The president cares. (1+ / 0-)
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      So we should probably pay attention to.

    •  In the past, Catholic people have comprised (0+ / 0-)

      a large voting block. Although I'm not religious at all, I still find it politically significant to try to understand the dyamics particularly because we now have such a large number of Catholic people in positions of power in our government. The Supreme Court is a good example.

      However, there is currently a rift between liberal and conservative Catholics the size of the Pacific Ocean. It pretty much mirrors the same rift in American society overall. The Pope and those who surround him in Rome tend to be more liberal, but American bishops tend to be more conservative.

      Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

      by RJDixon74135 on Tue Apr 10, 2012 at 04:44:55 PM PDT

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