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  •  The hell you can't cut wages to zero (0+ / 0-)

    It's unConstitutional (Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments) , but when has that ever stopped greedy bastards from trying it?

    Your solution is ultra-short-term, and many people here are already reporting that those high-paying jobs are drying up and/or going away. People with skills. People with advanced degrees. Real people - who can't find jobs that pay what their skills "should" be worth.

    Must be really nice living in that air-conditioned plush-lined ivory tower, but you need to get out and see the real world.

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 07:59:00 PM PDT

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    •  Again (0+ / 0-)

      Tell me why most workers make more than minimum wage.

      If your theory was true nearly everyone would be at minimum.

      And market values of jobs change. Your market value is what someone is willing to offer you right now. Not your opinion of how much you are worth, or what you made the last job.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 08:09:02 PM PDT

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      •  Could be we're coasting on momentum (0+ / 0-)

        I am not an economist and don't pretend to be. But the frequency of anecdotes here on DKos from people with skills/degrees and no job, or a low-paying McJob, strongly suggests that "market value" theory doesn't match reality.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 08:25:42 PM PDT

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      •  my dear Spar, you ALREADY know the answer to that (0+ / 0-)

        The reason why most American workers make more than minimum wage is the very same as the reason why most workers in the US still have any job at all that pays more than two cups of rice per day----because their boss hasn't yet figured out how to either automate their job and eliminate it completely or to move it to China or Thailand for said two cups of rice a day.

        If you disagree, then please by all means go ahead and explain to us why you think a business owner would voluntarily pay his workers more than he has to and voluntarily cut his own profits. You libertarians say you are economic experts on the free market---well then tell us what happens to a company that voluntarily raises his cost of production above that of his competitors.

        You're not REALLY this goddamn stupid, are you Spar?  You're just pretending to be this stupid so you can keep your ideological hymen intact by not letting anything in, right?

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