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  •  Don't Start by Being Defeated (0+ / 0-)

    The U.S. can have tariffs. And we can tell the WTO to fuck off, because we own them. They are totally a creature of the U.S. All we have to do is give the President a couple years to renegotiate our trade relations, with the reserve that we will pull out if they don't agree.

    As for enforcing our policies, companies will fall in line. They can't sell in the U.S. without our permission, so moving to another country just cuts them off from our markets. Since we are about 40% of the world market, they will cave in.

    So, while I understand the difficulties, they are not insurmountable, and we have to defeat them in order to make this work.

    The alternative is that the U.S. will be a third-world country. I just don't see the American public accepting that without a fight.

    •  alas, you are quite wrong (0+ / 0-)

      The US has already demonstrated, repeatedly, that it doesn't have the ability to stand up to the entire international trade apparatus---particularly when the US's own corporations won't stand on the government's side in those disputes.

      As for cutting them off from our market, they're already writing us off.  As our wages keep falling, we become less of a market anyway.  That's why even the "American" companies like GM and Ford now have over half of their productive capacity located overseas and make over half of their profits outside the US.  If we cut them out of the US market, they'll shrug, say "Bye" and go sell cars to China and India instead.

      This isn't the 1950's anymore.  The US is no longer the undisputed economic master of the world.  Economically, we already ARE a third world country----to the point where Germany and Japan are now moving factories here to take advantage of our low-wage non-union unregulated economy. They are doing to us what we did to Mexico.

      And we accepted that without a fight. Indeed, our own corporations are helping the process along.

      •  Argue for Your Limitations (0+ / 0-)

        and they're yours.

        We use about 40% of everything. No corporation, no matter how mighty, can afford to abandon the U.S. market.

        But, of course, if we wait a bit longer (say, until after China overtakes our economy), we won't be able to make that change.

        I'm not prepared to give up on this until I actually have to move to a different country.

        Our opponents never give up because things look like they won't work out. After the War in Vietnam it looked like we'd never fight another little war like that. The Afghan war has dragged on longer. People like Dick Cheney simply didn't give up when told the military had to downsize. Now it consumes more than all other militaries in the world, combined, and soaks up over half of the real federal budget.

        After Roe v Wade it looked like abortion was going to be a legal right everyplace in the U.S. Earlier this week abortions after 20 weeks became "illegal" in one of the states. At the rate they're going motherhood will be mandatory for every woman over 12.

        You have to look at what's the right answer. Then you go after the right answer because all politics is moveable. You just need to have a great idea and very dedicated people. If you're 'Publican, you don't even need a great idea.

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