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  •  What, Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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    chipmo

    Does it "say about me?" Spell it out.  I'm genuinely curious to hear what you think you know.

    I've proposed ways to win that would in fact move the majority of women closer together in a way that the pro-choice movement has utterly failed to do because it's leaders (and many folks on the hard left) are busy running away from the hard stuff that needs to be talked about and pretending that there is something wrong with the thinking/intellect of anyone who doesn't agree with that.  

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    by shanikka on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 01:19:49 PM PDT

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    •  I don't "think I know" anything.. (0+ / 0-)

      I can read what you wrote.

      It says that you think abortion is basically immoral... that you believe it to be an act that requires forgiveness

      and it makes it interesting that you still, from that perspective, argue for pro-choice.

      I think it says that you struggle with this issue internally more than some.

      Why are you so sure that we are all running away from "the hard stuff?"

      •  I Didn't Say (1+ / 0-)
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        chipmo

        Abortion was immoral.  Nor did I say anything about "struggle".  I don't - I'm completely at peace with my decisions of the past.

        That's what you conclude based upon what I wrote.  Based upon your own way of seeing things.

        So........why don't you now take yourself out of your world view (that of someone who cannot imagine someone asking God for forgiveness after an abortion unless that woman feels abortion is immoral) and see if you can put on someone else's - while still leaving that woman pro-choice.

        When the majority of women can do that for each other, we will be a huge step forward in terms of actually having our majority mean something in terms of this particular cultural battle.

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        by shanikka on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:07:30 PM PDT

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        •  why would you ask forgiveness (0+ / 0-)

          if you didn't feel it was immoral?

          I really cannot understand that

          help me understand

          •  Part of the Reason (2+ / 0-)
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            Pandoras Box, chipmo

            That I believe that the movement is a failure is that too few are really interested in doing the hard work of talking to and LISTENING TO lots of women not like themselves on this issue.  So, respectfully, I'm going to just say that go out into the communities not like your own and talk to a few hundred women, including a whole bunch of Black women over the age of 30 or so.  Make sure that they are not the type of women that spend their time debating these issues on the Internet or some political forum.

            You'll get it.  I'm sure of that.  If you listen, rather than talk, especially.

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            by shanikka on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 04:49:07 PM PDT

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