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  •  I don't know who was who (3+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, nomandates, anafreeka

    and it doesn't matter. I can assume that they all were involved, one way or another, so they are all as guilty.

    •  Not quite always.... (15+ / 0-)

      When I was grading physics tests at Texas A&M (years ago!) I got two nearly identical test items back--but one of them clearly knew what he was doing and the copier clearly did not understand.  The prof asked both students about it--it turns up that the first student had finished early & turned his paper in...the second had then come up to "ask a question" and apparently had also picked up the first student's paper to copy.

      Later on I had public school kids copying.  Some seemed to feel the game was to play a trick on the teacher!  In another case, the principal asked me to pass the student "Because at least she cared enough to cheat"!!!!!

      Teaching is NOT easy!

      •  YES. (7+ / 0-)

        Of course there are cases of that, where one student is capable and someone takes advantage of them.

        I remember the scene in the movie "Working Girl" with Melanie Griffith and Sigourney Weaver. Melanie Griffith plays the "dumb" uneducated secretary to Weaver's high-powered executive. But the secretary is the one who has the great idea. (Okay, I don't remember this real well...) but the gist of it is, someone asks Weaver how she came up with this brilliant idea, and she has no construct for it at all. The Griffith pipes in the with her story of the whole evolution of the idea. Obviously SHE is the one who knows all the answers, did all the thinking.

        When there is a way to separate them, this type of questioning would work.

        For my students, they are all wrong. And I guess it would be good to know if one was "innocent" but I have a hard time believing any of them really are.

      •  I would make an Aggie joke, but (1+ / 0-)
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        I think you just did. ;)

        Santorum: Man on Dog; Romney: Dog on Car. Ren and Stimpy: Dog on Cat

        by commonmass on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 07:39:29 PM PDT

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      •  I had this... (3+ / 0-)

        (mentioned above in another comment)

        Back in the days of terminal rooms, students often threw away early copies of their programs which were filched by others and turned in. In a couple of instances, I'm certain that the original author did not deliberately share their programs with the other parties who turned them in.

        Usually the stolen version was an earlier but working version, and the provenance of the programs was enough different that the guilty parties could be fingered.

        Nowadays this kind of cheating is probably pretty rare.

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