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  •  Words (truthiness) are like numbers (proofiness) (12+ / 0-)

    This is a good, interesting diary. Unfortunately, it'll offend some in this community. That's their loss, IMHO. Thanks for putting this out there!

    (And, yes, being a Progressive and deciding you're going to vote for President Obama is NOT a mutually exclusive concept. Like all of politics, it's more about compromise than most will admit.)

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 01:24:28 PM PDT

    •  I mean it to illustrate (5+ / 0-)

      why a particular argumentative technique does not work, not to offend anybody, of course.

      •  But it works both ways (1+ / 0-)
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        Unit Zero

        When you compare ANY President with George W. Bush...that President is going to look like a diamond shinin' in a goat's ass.

        I appreciate your effort to create some perspective, but you picked the wrong President.

        JFK: Achieved civil rights legislation where no President could do it. Space efforts. You know the rest, I don't have to draw a picture.

        FDR: Did more in his legendary first Hundred Days than any President before or since. But...when the worst Depression to hit this country SINCE THEN struck, Obama was held hostage to Tea-baggers. What do you seriously think FDR would have done, and would think of Obama? And...WW II?

        LBJ: Finished civil rights legislation right where JFK left off, gave us Medicare, et al...fucked up and got out because he'd lost his honor.

        After the FIRST assassination of an American without any due process, if Obama had half the 'honor' of LBJ, he'd have resigned. Instead, we have non-stop war, and a shameless President CONTINUING the ripping apart of the Constitution. And we don't even have Russia or China to blame...just desert rats causing this hysteria. Our country's foreign policy and military are under the direct control of the motherfucking CIA, and nobody gives a shit.

        Didn't YOU think Obama would put a stop to this madness? If you didn't, I doubt you'd have voted for him--IF you call yourself a 'progressive' in any way.

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 02:15:25 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't (2+ / 0-)
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          420 forever, aliasalias

          compare Obama to Bush.

          Please read the diary (specifically the parts before the list).

        •  would of? (2+ / 0-)
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          Shahryar, Woody

          could of? I really don't care about the intentions on the part of any pol, including both bushes or Clinton, Obama. Their intentions are irrelevant. They are based on rhetoric or the biased eyes of a true believer. Compassionate conservatism or Change you can Believe in are what Bush and Obama sold, Clinton I never trusted he was a sleazy used car salesman disguised as a DLC machine pol. The man from Hope, who felt our pain as he privatized and deregulated everything he could.

          Yes I thought that the Democrat's with Obama as our 'leader' would stop the insanity or at the least restore the rule of law and some semblance of the common good.  The  insanity and evil that had gone so far that even the half sane Republican's I meet while canvassing for Obama and the Dems. would apologize and express support.

          Who took all sanity and the rule of law off the table during the dark sides regime? Seems to me and many others to be bi-partisan complicity with 'powerful interests' calling the shots and the whole of our electoral politics becoming a wrestlin' match wherein we vote for either Koch Bros or Goldman Sachs/Chase and get both. Not to mention the on going class, women, drug, terrorist, gender, culture wars. I give a shit but hey as the growing number of Indies I know say, 'What choice do I have'.          

      •  so anybody who supports (1+ / 0-)
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        or approves of obama is not a progressive.

        so are the 80-85% of liberals in polls who approve of obama, not a progressive?

        •  the very first sentence in the diary (0+ / 0-)
          It has become a common thing in the intra-Daily Kos fights between Progressives and President Obama-supporters (no, those two categories are not mutually exclusive) for supports to post lists of President Obama's progressive accomplishments.
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          you've made 3 comments attacking me without even reading a single sentence of the diary.
    •  Great diary and perspective. (3+ / 0-)
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      Andrew F Cockburn, bobswern, Woody

      This is the best commentary on Politifact that I've seen.  All of the list would be scored as "true" or "mostly true.

      True, right, accurate, factual, etc.  are not synonyms.

      the fact that you're right is nothing more than interesting

      by Egg on Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 03:50:30 PM PDT

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