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  •  Or else what? (3+ / 0-)
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    You won't vote". Or will vote third party or Republican?  Why don't we do some groundwork and energize Progressives. Let's work toward a Progressive sweep like the Tea Party did. It's the only way to get what we want.  Refusing to participate makes us practically irrelevant.  He can't restore those things without a congress and set of Federal courts that will.  He certainly can't do it by Presidential fiat.

    “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

    by stellaluna on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 08:26:47 AM PDT

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    •  I suspect that he could actually (2+ / 0-)
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      do a tremendous amount in that regard "by Presidential fiat."

      •  How? (0+ / 0-)

        “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

        by stellaluna on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:11:34 AM PDT

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        •  Not sending the DOJ to defend (3+ / 0-)
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          violations of our constitutional rights, for starters. Not prosecuting whistleblowers. Not raiding marijuana growers. Prosecuting real criminals, i.e., banksters and war criminals, so that the law has meaning for all and not just the 99%.
          Et cetera.

          •  You realize the role of the AG in relation to (1+ / 0-)
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            law enforcement don't you?  The police don't get court appointed attorneys when a case is appealed. They get a AG's.  They have prosecuted bankers with the laws we have. Whistleblowers I agree with but I don't know a lot about any of those prosecutions.  But he doesn't just "send" them. That is what they are there for.  I think it is politically naive to expect him to use that one governmental agency to right every wrong. Especially since progressives won't even support him by electing a Progressive Congress.

            “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

            by stellaluna on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:28:58 AM PDT

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            •  Meh (2+ / 0-)
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              I'm only pointing at DOJ as one example.

              Whistleblower prosecutions have been outrageous--see Jesselyn Radack's and Thomas Drake's diaries.

              DHS could be dismantled along with all its mega funds for militarizing the country's law enforcement. FEMA could go back to being a department of its own. And more.

              I don't know where you get the idea that progressives won't vote for progressive candidates. Although I'm not sure Obama would see voting for them as being supportive of him, since he is not really a progressive, so far at least. I give him some leeway since he's often between a rock and a hard place, but he's given away some points, too.

              •  Btw (1+ / 0-)
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                I am planning to vote for Obama again.

                •  And I am disappointed in the President over (1+ / 0-)
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                  most of the same things you have mentioned. So I'm sorry if I sounded critical. I'm just frustrated by our (Progressives) inability to coalesce into a voting block of substance. It's been the case for decades and it's frustrating. We know that majorities of people support progressive causes and yet they continue to refuse to identify politically as progressives.  And that is the reality of politics for the President (who is most likely not a Progressive but whom I believe as a politician would be one if he had numerical support) and for us.  The only way we can change it is to find a way to be a political strength. And we haven't done it for this election so we have to go with the side that is more likely to let Progressivism flourish.  And one thing that we can't let change is the Supreme Court because that is the only protection for us until being a "liberal" isn't seen as a bad thing by a majority of people.  So we really agree that he could and should do more. If we win this one we have four years to put ourselves in a better position. Electing some Progressives midterm would help a lot. But we have to do it the way the right wing has done it. Incrementally without ever backing off of support for the President. We've got to criticize without withholding our votes somehow.

                  “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

                  by stellaluna on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 01:26:50 PM PDT

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                    Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You have some excellent ideas that I hope we'll follow up on. Here's something else that sounds promising: the AFL-CIO SuperPac.

                    Anything could happen between now and the election. Notice how the Repubs even try to turn their war on women against us! I don't underestimate their capacity for skulduggery at all. They seem to enjoy getting our hackles up.

                    •  That does sound promising. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I am hoping that the saturation of negative TV ads will cause people to tune out. I think it's possible. So focusing on direct voter solicitation might be a good strategy. It's hard to believe people won't just start to ignore the TV stuff. It looked like Romney's negatives went up even as he blasted his opponents. Maybe there is a better way.

                      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

                      by stellaluna on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 03:34:19 PM PDT

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