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  •  Fully agree, G2geek. (5+ / 0-)

    This is important to discuss, as the issue plays a strong role in the Occupy movement.  

    I welcome the opportunity for a better understanding, and hope we don't all get banned for being willing to listen.

    ...Nothing of public value exists which has not been fought for. -- George Monbiot

    OCCUPY

    by Yasuragi on Fri May 04, 2012 at 02:22:00 AM PDT

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    •  I'm hoping that Markos recognizes that even if... (4+ / 0-)
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      ... AoT supports tactics that aren't nonviolent, what AoT actually did here is a major step toward making peace.

      He built a peace table and sat down and started telling his story in a spirit of peacemaking, and invited us to participate.

      That deserves respect, and to my mind is a strong expression of the spirit of this place even if some of what he says is technically against the rules.

      Sometimes when you want to make peace, you have to talk about what the opposites of peace are and what they mean, and do that in a spirit of open-mindedness and mutual respect.

      So here we go, and I believe this will produce much good.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Fri May 04, 2012 at 03:06:23 AM PDT

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      •  Fully agree. And, in fact, we don't yet (1+ / 0-)
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        know where AoT stands today in terms of all this -- this being the first of three.

        That's just part of why it's so important that we hear him out.

        And you're so right about the dialogue.  I've rec'd several threads here on both sides of the debate simply for being good, healthy discussion without rancor (well, without much rancor).  

        I wish the Rox/Sux contingents could have such adult discussions.

        ...Nothing of public value exists which has not been fought for. -- George Monbiot

        OCCUPY

        by Yasuragi on Fri May 04, 2012 at 03:30:30 AM PDT

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        •  things get different quickly when the topic is... (1+ / 0-)
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          .... a core issue such as what constitutes violence (e.g. does property destruction count?) and the boundaries between nonviolent tactics and other kinds of tactics, and all of that.

          And things get different quickly when it's a bit of an emergency and the future of a movement is at stake.  

          Under these conditions people tend to start cooperating and figuring out how to move forward together, as soon as an opportunity presents itself.  It takes courage to be the first to offer that opportunity.  AoT did that.  So here we are.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Fri May 04, 2012 at 06:07:04 AM PDT

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