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  •  If you're more afraid that someone is going to (0+ / 0-)

    throw a molotov into a car next to you, then you're either very poor at risk assessment or not in the same country I am  (the second half of that really isn't meant as snark).

    The cops are the ones shooting people in the head with bean bag rounds.  The cops are launching the tear gas.  

    The people in black are the ones with water bottles ready to go to get that tear gas out of your eyes.  They're the ones that will un-arrest your ass, or drag you out from under the boots when you're at risk of being trampled when the cops decide to riot.

    If you want to condemn unproductive vandalism, that's you're right.  I don't even disagree with you on that.

    If you want to literally throw people out of the human family as you see it because of some stupid vandalism, you've got a lot of work to do before you're going to be an asset rather than a liability at an actual occupation.

    Your vote is your consent.

    by JesseCW on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:41:03 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not in the same country as you are. (5+ / 0-)

      I'm in Italy.  And it happens.

      And don't fucking lecture me about my attitudes toward participation in protests.  Maybe if you had a nuclear family to think about, like your own kids, instead of an abstract human family, you'd think a little differently.

      •  This isn't Italy. No one is throwing Molotovs. (0+ / 0-)

        If they were, they'd be doing 20 years or more in Prison.

        If you were familiar with how things happen here, it would be the police you'd fear.  They routinely brutalize people engaged in purely peaceful protest and civil disobedience.

        Your vote is your consent.

        by JesseCW on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:12:05 AM PDT

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        •  Please don't use such a patronizing tone with me. (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm American.  I know full well what happens at protests in the US.  Now I'm in Italy, and while the police is not quite as repressive in a general sense at protests, they certainly don't have a great track record (see my link to the Diaz film above).

          The Black Bloc is much more of a presence here and much more of a threat to peaceful protest.  I'd rather not see an escalation in violence in the U.S.

          •  Please don't try to encourage Americans (0+ / 0-)

            to irrationally fear one another.

            The police do not brutalize us because of kids breaking a few windows - they do it because they have orders to do it.

            If you want to prevent violence, you have to focus on the people engaging in it.

            Here, the worst that people using Black Bloc tactics do is engage in vandalism.  It's the Cops that are  putting people in the hospital.

            Fearmongering about Molotovs doesn't help de-escalate.

            Your vote is your consent.

            by JesseCW on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:46:35 AM PDT

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            •  Ok, I can see know that your primary (1+ / 0-)
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              aim in responding to my comments is to lecture me.  So I'm done here.  I'm not fearmongering about molotovs.  I'm telling people here that in Italy the Black Bloc uses, among other things, molotovs, and that's one reason I'm not going to any big public protests.  

    •  You don't have to be able to read Italian (4+ / 0-)

      to get the gist of what happened here on Oct. 15, 2011:  Take a look at this article.  This was a protest in favor of financing state universities and resolving the problem employment for young people.  It was to be a pacifist march.  Then several hundred people identified as Black Bloc (whether they identified themselves as such or not) entered the fray and it was all over.  

      A blog of the day published by the newspaper La Repubblica recounted that late in the evening, 12 Black Bloc protesters had been arrested and 10 molotov cocktails were found.  Over 100 people had been injured.  One police officer had a heart attack.  2 others barely escaped with their lives after their van had been set on fire.

      There were attempts on the part of peaceful protesters to isolate those engaging in vandalism, but to little effect.

    •  I'm hoping the rest of the series addresses (1+ / 0-)
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      the issue of what the morality is behind disrupting other people's protests, against their wishes and desires and then claiming that there is something noble or worthwhile about that participation. I would also like to see some direct response to the notion that blac block violence hurts the underlying cause when it happens. It's not enough to blame "the man" or the police for blac block violence.  What is the justification for appropriating other people's actions.

      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

      by stellaluna on Fri May 04, 2012 at 06:45:07 AM PDT

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