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  •  I sort of like Rosen, but working women (0+ / 0-)

    have been slapped around so many times before about this ... this is not new.   It's been a issue before and how Rosen can walk into that trap is beyond was a dumb mistake and gave Romeny an easy opening.  .  There are so many ways to deal with the issue of upper class women without falling into this trap.  obviously we know that Ann did not have it bad but I'd stay with the two cadillacs rather than saying the dumb remark she hasn't worked a day in her life.  Rosen should appoligize and take a vacation with her many dollars she has in the bank from being a big lobbyist.  

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    by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:51:24 AM PDT

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    •  I think it's a valid point (7+ / 0-)

      If she's worked at all, even doing housework, it's because she WANTED to not because she HAD to.

      If she scrubbed a toilet, it was because she CHOSE to do that, not because if she didn't do it, nobody would do it. She could easily pay for maids to do those things.

      If she didn't like her kids' school, she could find another one, and hang the cost. If they moved, they hired movers, they didn't pack things up themselves and rent a u-haul (if they did, they were crazy).

      Her entire life she's had the money to do, or not do, whatever she wanted.

      And that was the entire point that was being made.

      •  Exactly! Ann was fortunate to have all those (5+ / 0-)
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        choices!  Unfortunately, the choice most working women have is 1 job or 2 or 3 jobs.  Not NO job.   As the mother of 4 sons who had to return to my job 6 weeks (in one case 4 weeks) after giving birth.  I had to arrange daycare.  Had to rush  home to pick them up before I was charged late fees.  When I got home, had to start my job; get dinner on the table, assist with homework, get face time to hubby.  Do the dishes and fall into bed.  Does Ann have ANY idea what choices I made?  It is insulting to hear her talk about "struggling."   PUH-LEASE!  

      •  Well hindsight is great but Rosen should be (0+ / 0-)

        attacked for her dumb remark by everyone including this site.  It is a waste of time even trying to defend... let the media do that.  We need to attack the stupidity of Rosen's remark.   This is what you get when you let some lobbyist of the worst kind on to your team... she has no understanding of politics of the grassroots.... she is not from the grassroots.  She is an awful spokesperson for Democrats.  She is part of the problem we face, not the solution.  Rosen is exactly why we need to crash the gates... now I like Rosen personally but she is not one of us... she is part of the 1% and should be removed immediately as a spokesperson for Democrats.  

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        by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:11:05 AM PDT

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        •  What was stupid about it? Because the media (3+ / 0-)
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          is framing it as an attack on Ann?  I did not see it that way at all.  

          •  The stupidity is so obvious. Why (1+ / 0-)
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            attack Ann for not working... she will immediately come bouncing back as have many (especially working religious women) and say only snobs think that working taking care of children while hubby works is not highly valuable.  It allows Ann, who has had a life of riley, to be on the side of the working at home women.  Stupid is what it is.  And again had Rosen hung out with working at home mothers like my mother she would have seen how her remarks could easily be used by Romney to be able to have what she doesn't have, some connection to women who don't have money.  This is because Rosen is in a bubble of weathy women who have it easy and she is rich.  We don't need these type of Democrats speaking for us.

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            by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:21:18 AM PDT

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            •  meh--even stay-at-home mothers are not going to (4+ / 0-)
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              identify with Ann Romney.  No one today takes offense at being told that if they stay at home they "aren't working."

              What stay-at-home mothers fully realize today is that they are extremely FORTUNATE to have the choice to stay home rather than being forced to work (and I mean OUTSIDE the home, for heaven's sake) in order to keep afloat.

              So please knock off the 1980's gunk about the "controversy" over "career v. stay-at-home"  mothers.  It is an archaic and ridiculous argument.  No one even talks about freaking "career v. motherhood" any longer.  

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              by livjack on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:31:06 AM PDT

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              •  livjack... yeah, then why is Obama (0+ / 0-)

                going ape shit over Rosen's remarks... this is not what they want and not what I want.  But if she is stupid enough to actualy go into the 1980's gunk without even knowing it, then you have a problem. Like why is she a spokesperson for the Democrats?  It seems to have traction for lots of women who can't relate to Romney... their base... and yes, people do talk about "career v. motherhood"  Rosen for one, Ann Romney for two thanks to Rosen, and now Obama for three.  Tell them to knock it off and see how far you get.

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                by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:44:34 AM PDT

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      •  I would like to know if she (2+ / 0-)

        had a housekeeper, maid, nanny and/or chauffeur. It would sure make raising five kids a lot less work.

      •  So I don't get it then. Are you saying that if (1+ / 0-)
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        she had a choice then it's not hard?  Are you saying that if she is rich, then being a mom and wife is less worthy?

          I don't get why Rosen's statement shouldn't at least warrant a clarification.  To sit here and defend it makes it look even worse in my opinion.  There are a whole lot of stay at home moms out there who have repeatedly been told that they never work by society in general and it will not go over well if we continue to act as if some stay at home moms are ok, as long as they have to struggle to do it.

         Each time anyone implies that Ann Romney didn't work, because they had money....well what about all of the other upper middle class stay at home/soccer moms.... who may have household help or a pool boy etc...How will that comment and later defending that comment go over with them?  There are millions of them...and don't fool yourself into thinking those types are all republicans...I know plenty of them and most I know are as liberal as they come....but also take their kid ballgames, school activities, cupcake making "job" very seriously.    I doubt highly they will see the that comment as anything but an insult, regardless of how Rosen meant it.  

        •  I'm saying if she had a choice, she needs to (5+ / 0-)
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          demonstrate how she connects with those who do not have a choice.   Don't tell me you know what it means to struggle.  How did you struggle?  

          When your husband's policies would hurt the very same women who are struggling to raise a family and work because they have to, not because they choose to, then you and he have to convince me that you do understand.  

        •  If you have a choice, (1+ / 0-)
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          then no, it's NOT hard. If it was too hard, you just wouldn't do it. Hell, she had enough money that if she wanted a day off to go to Paris and buy couture clothes, she could LEAVE THE KIDS AND GO.

          And that is the point. Anything she did, she did because she WANTED to.

          If she wanted to work outside the home, I'm sure she could have found an excellent, and very flexible, employer. If she didn't like the work, she could quit.

          If she cooked, cleaned, spent much time with her kids, or did ANYTHING, it was because she CHOSE to do it.

          Even most parents who do stay home with the kids don't have those choices. They don't have maids to do the housework, and nannies to help with the kids, and gardeners to mow the many lawns, cooks to make the dinners and even buy the food. They don't have the money for special schools, or riding lessons, or trips to Europe.

          Most parents who stay home have to watch their pennies, shop frugally, perhaps forego vacations, drive old cars (or maybe only have one vehicle), and do it because they want to take advantage of those few years of childhood. They know they're LUCKY to be able to do that at all, because many people can't.

          Nobody thinks they don't work. But they do have a lot of control over their lives, in a way that somebody who has a regular paying job doesn't.

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