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  •  You like that? (1+ / 0-)
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    auron renouille

    Stalin was pretty unimopisong at the end too.

    That is what of the dubest things I have ever read.

    •  if you're going to troll, (2+ / 0-)
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      indres, happymisanthropy

      at least spell your insults right.  Sheesh.  

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 at 09:46:27 AM PDT

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      •  Troll? (7+ / 0-)

        Look, the fact the many of you do not understand the extreme illogic of supporting the Limbaugh boycott (I do) with condemning people protesting Guillen's statement is not trolling as I understand it.

        Maher at least condemns both.

        How about you?

        I understand people dnn't enjoy having their hypocrisies discussed, but I think that to call that trolling is to misuse the word.

        But have at it, report me to the admins for trolling. See how that works out for you.

        •  Yes, you are a troll... (1+ / 0-)
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          Armando

          for typing too fast and then hitting "post" too soon. How dare you!

          ;-)

          "It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." George Carlin

          by psnyder on Sat Apr 14, 2012 at 11:45:31 AM PDT

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        •  what the fuck are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

          People should avoid doing business with evil companies, when possible.

          Rush Limbaugh's employer is absolutely responsible for the things Rush Limbaugh gets paid 400 million dollars to say.  That's what they pay him for -- to call women sluts and feminazis, to mock disabled people and the homeless, to rail against education, science, and rationality in general.  If you choose to support those things, you can financially support Rush's advertisers.  If you don't, you can choose not to.  

          a corporation is ALWAYS responsible for what its spokesmollusks say on company time.  A company's responsibility for private opinions of its employees is at most debatable, and ideally would be nonexistent for work-unrelated matters.

          Comparing what Rush Limbaugh was hired to say with what some guy happens to say is nonsense.  

          •  This is not coherent to me (0+ / 0-)

            Are you saying Ozzie Guillen is no an employee of a company?

            Are you saying that Rush Limbaugh's speech deserves less "respect" because he works for his own company, EIB? (Yes, Rush is his own boss in case you don't know.)

            Frankly, may I ask "what the fuck are you talking about?"

            •  I misunderstood you (0+ / 0-)

              Me:

              a corporation is ALWAYS responsible for what its spokesmollusks say on company time.  A company's responsibility for private opinions of its employees is at most debatable, and ideally would be nonexistent for work-unrelated matters.
              EIB and Premiere Radio are responsible for every word Rush says on his show.

              The Florida Marlins are not responsible for every word Ozzie says, unless they make him the official team ideologue or something but last I heard that hasn't happened.

              You:

              Are you saying that Rush Limbaugh's speech deserves less "respect" because he works for his own company, EIB? (Yes, Rush is his own boss in case you don't know.)
              I have no idea what you mean by "respect."  If you mean respect in the informal sense, I can choose any number of perfectly good reasons to disrespect Rush Limbaugh.

              If you mean "respect" as in protection under the law... that makes no sense and I know you're smarter than that.

              If you mean "respect" as me regarding it as a personal matter that's none of his employer's business...
              ...
              given that Rush is his own employer, saying that his words are none of his employer's business is clearly nonsense.  It's at least possible to make the case that Ozzie's words are not his employer's business, whether you choose to agree or not.

        •  The trolling was all the insults (0+ / 0-)

          you've been lobbing at people who offered inconveniently factual statements about Cuba.  Perhaps trolling is the wrong word, and bullying is the right one.

          Bringing Limbaugh into this is a false equivalency, pure and simple.

          Mr Limbaugh savagely attacked women who use contraception, for days on end.  Most American liberals care about women who use contraception.

          Mr Guillen offhandedly said that Castro's longevity was impressive.  Most American liberals don't give two shits about Castro, his brother, the exile community in So. Florida (who've gotten by better than most immigrant communities), or the Republic of Cuba.  Most American conservatives don't either.  Pretty much for the reasons Maher points out.

          Do you see the difference?  Do you see why one is a big deal, and the other one isn't?  Between your mentioning  being a son of Cuban exiles, and your virulent comments elsewhere on this diary, I will guess that this issue is more important to you.  Which is fair.  But then, it's important to bear in mind that your own experience, though valid, is not necessarily typical.  In this case, it is not typical (most Americans don't care about the Castros), so you should not be so shocked that it isn't.

          I see why the Marlins suspended him... business is business after all.  But anyone who's familiar with Mr Guillen can figure out what he meant.  He essentially said that Castro has been a total asshole to everyone for sixty years and gotten away with it.  It's an ability that Mr Guillen obviously does not have.  Given his long string of verbal controversies, it's safe to conclude he wishes he had it.  And admires Castro for having it, accordingly.  

          Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

          by nominalize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 at 10:59:45 PM PDT

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          •  Your comment has no relation (0+ / 0-)

            to any argument I have presented.

            It's a little late btw to try and engage me in  a reasonable way in this thread.

            I'lll just note for the record that nothing you write in your comment has any relation whatsoever to my arguments.

            Your argument is "my boycott is good" and theirs is bad therefore I win.

            The irony is I support the boycott of Limbaugh (Maher does not) and do not support the protests of Guillen's comments.

            Yet again Voltaire comes to mind.

             

      •  hey there UID #222938, before throwing the (2+ / 0-)
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        "TROLL" epithet about, you might just see if the person is a TROLL first.

        Armando is a long-time User (UID: 1638), with over 55 thousand comments and counting.

        Hardly someone who might be a TROLL.

        All you have to do is click his UID and take a peek at his Profile Page, to confirm it.

        Use a little discretion, will ya? With election season heating up, the TROLL sightings will increase, we don't need anybody throwing brickbats about without cause this early in the season.

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        by Angie in WA State on Sat Apr 14, 2012 at 12:21:51 PM PDT

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        •  Two things: (0+ / 0-)

          One, I didn't call anyone a troll.  I said Armando was trolling.  Going around calling everyone's (factual) statements "BS" and insulting people because the factual facts they describe are inconvenient, well, that's trolling.

          Does that make Armando a troll?  No.

          Before you cry about "semantics": Yeah, it is a semantic difference.  Specifically the difference between stage-level (temporary) and individual-level (permanent) properties.  Just like a smart person can do stupid things and still be smart, or a dour person can say something funny now and again, a perfectly normal commenter can troll now and again.

          Second, the fact that Armando has been here so long teaches me one thing:  He should know better.  The apparent fact that he has a personal stake in the matter makes keeping a level head all the more important.

          Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

          by nominalize on Sat Apr 14, 2012 at 10:46:15 PM PDT

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          •  I disagree with your comment (0+ / 0-)

            in terms of "what I should have done."

            The irony of your lecture in the context of your defense of Ozzie Guillen "right to say what he wants" does not escape me.

            BTW, I for one will defend your right to call me a troll.

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