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  •  I wouldn't count on it (15+ / 0-)
    This will be a big deal tomorrow.
    Most Democrats with access to a microphone have shown zero willingness to take this on.  The press framed it as a winner for gopers and everyone believed them.  I don't think we can count on CNN pointing out this ridiculous hypocrisy, so who is going to do it?  

    Obama signaled that he doesn't want anyone close to him attempting to clarify or engage in this argument.  

    We'll be right on the actual issues while the wingnuts ride Truthiness for all its worth.  As usual.  

    When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 11:50:07 AM PDT

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    •  Who Will Do It? Ed Schultz, Chris Hayes, Rachel (15+ / 0-)

      Maddow? Paul Krugman, Gail Collins, Katrina Van den Huevel?  NOW, PCCC, Howard Dean?  Us?

      It really doesn't matter if the DNC and the WH decide not to carry this flag.  

      On women's issues the die is cast.  And the R's are absolutely tone deaf.
      Here's the WSJ Op-Ed page advising them how they can win the war on women by attacking overtime pay, pay equity and such other outdated Dem tropes.
      http://online.wsj.com/...

      Government creates myriad roadblocks for women's economic progress, but Republicans largely have failed to make that case. They've instead let themselves be dragged into the tired debate over "equal pay" and "women's rights" and "gender equality." Democrats love competing on these terms because it allows them to argue that the remedy always lies with more government, no matter the adverse consequences. It's no accident that the first piece of legislation Mr. Obama signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Act. Purporting to snuff out wage discrimination, this is mostly a litigation bonanza for trial lawyers.

      Mr. Romney, and women, would be better off if the Republican brought this debate into the 21st century. What women need most in the economy we've got now is choice, opportunity and ownership. The Democrats want a war. Most women want a living.

      •  majcmb1 is right. this becomes another salvo in (5+ / 0-)
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        the war on women, the first time in decades that the Blue Team launched a perfect political frame

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

        by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:24:47 PM PDT

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      •  Hilarious - I dare them (4+ / 0-)
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        Let's just HOPE they make it about CHOICE and OPPORTUNITY.... while they're cutting head start, day care, Pell grants, coming up with the ridiculous ANTI-choice legislation everywhere...  I'd say bring that on!!!  The republicans will soon shut up entirely about this because even they can figure out that the more they talk about it, they are bound to slip up and say something really, really stupid. They are out of their league on this one.

        Let's not EVER forget that image of Bachmann pouring the water for the male candidates at the 'thanksgiving' debate. Just like a good little hostess. My gawd. I felt embarrassed for the poor woman knowing she didn't know enough to realize she should be. I'm damned if we're going to go back to those days.

    •  Obama signaled that candidates' families (7+ / 0-)
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      shouldn't be attacked. He said that raising children isn't easy. He didn't say anything about which women should and shouldn't stay home to raise children. If this doesn't become a big deal, blame it on the corporate media, not the Obama campaign.

      Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

      by HappyinNM on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:09:36 PM PDT

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      •  I am (5+ / 0-)
        blame it on the corporate media, not the Obama campaign.
        Obama did what he had to do.  He would have gotten plastered if he tried to dive directly into this and take her side against Ann.  The problem does lie with the corporate media who helped the Romney campaign shape this exactly as they wanted.  

        I do think we on the netroots should say it loud and proud and Maddow and others should chime in.  But I don't have the happy delusion that it makes it a 'big deal.'  We still don't have the ability to shape the conversation by force of echo chamber the way the right can.  Even when the facts are on our side.  

        When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:20:04 PM PDT

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    •  you are wrong. this one has legs. (6+ / 0-)

      one of two things will happen: either the Hilary Rosen gaffe will die (not likely), or everyone will ALSO have to report on Romney's flip flop/lie about believing that caring for children at home is work.

      The press framed it as a winner for gopers
      the press hasn;t even gotten a hold of this one yet.  Chris Hayes unearthing that R-Money tape is going to spread to the mainstream media.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

      by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:23:07 PM PDT

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      •  I hope/wish you were right (5+ / 0-)
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        But I've been hearing it in the 'mainstream' for weeks now.

        "How will the GOP close the gender gap?"  They don't report the facts of why there IS a gender gap.  They want to appear Fair and report it Balanced.  So they do.  Regardless of the facts.  Gopers can say a thousand wrong things and that will be held as equivalent with one clumsy but true statement from someone with some loose connection to the administration to Balance it all.  

        If all this weren't the case, there never would have been anything in Rosen's comments for the Romney team to latch onto in the first place.  If this was reported with open eyes, there is nothing here for them.

        There is a reason we're so split 50/50 in this country regardless of how disastrously wrong the GOP is, over an over.  Anything else wouldn't be Fair.  

        When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

        by Sun dog on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:46:43 PM PDT

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        •  you are ignoring the new evidence and tape (6+ / 0-)

          R-Money on tape saying poor women with children should not stay at home and instead should learn the "dignity of work" has only surfaced today.  This will contrast nicely with his comments about stay at home moms doing valuable work.  Chris Hayes has unearthed a game changing piece of videotape.  whatever you have been hearing for weeks is about to go in a different direction.

          "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
          Real journalists know that lies do not bring "balance" to truth! (h/t elwior)

          by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 02:51:54 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not ignoring it (5+ / 0-)

            It will make good video showing what a two faced jerkwad the guy is.  Just like about a hundred other instances where he completely contradicts himself.  But they can't report accurately on what a complete two faced jackass the guy is because that wouldn't be Fair.  This practice goes to the point of burying stories that don't fit in with Balance.  

            This seems a strange conversation to me, really.  The whole reason we're here it seems to me is to counter, in some small way, this horrendous situation in our 'mainstream' media conversation.  It just seems obtuse to celebrate ahead of time because this is surely to be a Big Deal tomorrow in the national conversation.  Bush invaded Iraq to get those weapons of mass destruction and it's still not a Big Deal to the mainstream.  "Who's to say who was right or wrong about Iraq?"  

            I just think we're more effective when we recognize the landscape we're dealing with.  Believing this is going to get the attention it deserves to counter the stupid narrative they created last week just seems overly hopeful to me.  

            When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

            by Sun dog on Sun Apr 15, 2012 at 03:12:06 PM PDT

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            •  There is another way people learn besides media (0+ / 0-)

              It is through their own viewing and hearing these sorts of comments.

              I read page after page of comments on Ann Romney this morning from Twitter, and they all...every single one....made fun of the fact that she of course could CHOOSE to stay home, with her maids and nannies. A choice that practically noone else has.

              I think we sometimes worry that we have to have the pundits to tell everyone what these comments really mean, when actually the meaning of comments this stupid are pretty much obvious to everyone.

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