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  •  I am not going to respond to all that (0+ / 0-)

    faux outrage and that profusion of the obvious.  Really now.

    I don't even feel like explaining what I said because it you so totally missed it and engaged in a 5 page rant about how Democrats should not argue progressive policy in the court of public opinion, as if these things do not correlate with the way people think and what sort of policy proposals people are wont to support. Part of this is expanding cultural circles as you said, and part of this also extends to having Democrats willing to actually take up debate on these issues at times, none of which I was relating to the NE-SEN race.

    Again, you initially brought up Kerrey and Nelson people I did not even mention. And now you bring up all this stuff, (including an extensive bunch of junk on my own state!!). It's annoying.

    So not only do I think this view is naive, it's also really insulting, because just the vast majority of voters don't vote the way they do because of some coherent ideology that we can then change their minds about, does not mean they don't have a very good and compelling reason for voting the way they do.
    What's insulting is you piling a bunch of shit on me that was mostly directed at other, more liberal users. But it's also laughed to say the vast majority of people don't vote according to any coherent ideology. You second part makes as much sense as the first, "Does not mean they don't have a very good and compelling reason for voting the way they do." Hahaha. When most people don't even know the names of their representatives, and couldn't even pass a basic civics test, it is also fair to assume they don't actually have any knowledge of policy and that only a vague sense of ideology guides them. Which is why it's good for Democrats to promote a positive progressive ideology couched in common sense terms of melding government and private market for the greatest good of the country.

    And I really didn't intend to get into this kind of crap.

    "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles

    by ArkDem14 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 10:26:01 AM PDT

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    •  You need to step away from the keyboard (0+ / 0-)

      and cool off a bit.

      You commented directly in the middle of a thread about the Kerrey and the NE-Sen race, if you didn't mean your comments in relation to that race I humbly submit that that's misleading. I was responding to the claims of a trollish front pager who came in here to whine about that nasty DINO Kerrey, you responded by telling him "he has a good point" and repeated a bunch of ridiculous claims, most saliently "Democrats do not promote a cohesive progressive vision."

      Balderdash.

      I deconstructed those claims. If what I said was obvious it's only because it is so obviously wrong, and I only bothered to respond because you asked me to elaborate. And then when I do walk you through it, you get angry posting a long comment attacking me. I'm really not sure what to say.

      (-7.62, -6.31), Blood type "O", Democratic-socialist, social anarchist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

      by Setsuna Mudo on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 11:12:12 AM PDT

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      •  No you didn't, (0+ / 0-)

        you went on and on with your own crap, and condescended me.

        If my comments were directed towards the NE-SEN race, they would have had some reference to the NE-SEN race, which they didn't. Disregarding the attitude you have for the other user, whether he is right or wrong, I told him he had a good point in that Republicans have more aggressively pursued and promoted their agenda for decades which has had the effect of consistently moving political discussion further and further rightward until a Heritage Foundation private market Health Care plan is now socialism.

        You are attaching me to things other than what I said, and misreading what I did say, and I called you out on it. So you responded with a long, and again, very condescending, comment basically implying I'm an elitist who knows nothing, while shunting forward some ridiculous and elitist ideas of your own.

        Walk me through it? That is the most vouchsafing, patronizing term I've had anyone use on me in a while. I'm not attacking you, I am calling you out for being rude and for giving me a bunch of grief. That long comment of yours was a discordant bit of jumbled points that took me a while to decipher, and some of them are pretty asinine in that you present them as fact when they are utterly laughable.

        And Democrats have not, in the past, presented a coherent progressive vision. Part of this is that Democrats have simply not proved as organized and media-savvy as Republicans have been. This is also not something you can simply give me the debate equivalent of the middle finger and say balderdash like your own opinion on the matter is a sanctified fact.

        "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles

        by ArkDem14 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 11:42:10 AM PDT

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        •  SetsunaMudo, ArkDem14 (1+ / 0-)
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          I like your passion. You are both excellent Ds.

          But I suggest that the time you're using on these posts might be better spent on some other endeavor.

          To rephrase, if a troll had managed to foment this kind of discord, I'd suggest that he was successful.

          "I hope; therefore, I can live."
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          by tietack on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30:26 PM PDT

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          •  Truth be told (0+ / 0-)

            Germany is at fault for making me even more of a whiny bitch than I usually am. The original poster though, (and I disagree with him too and think he is looking at things too simplistically), didn't seem like a troll, and honestly, if people had more patience and politeness, should have been debated with and given our more electorally minded viewpoints.

            "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles

            by ArkDem14 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 at 02:24:19 PM PDT

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