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  •  A district in MN elected Bachmann -- not the (1+ / 0-)
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    state.  CA has several Reps that are as odious as Bachmann but the state hasn't been a winner at the federal level for any Republican since 1990.  

    Santorum dropped out of the GOP primary because he was going to lose in PA among Republicans; so, they seem to have learned something.

    What part of Walker currently polling at 50% don't you get?  

    •  Marie, (4+ / 0-)

      so scratching my head that someone supposedly on our side would take time out to double down on her premise that the problem is that odious state of Wisconsin.

      It is quite clear to me, that you have no knowledge or empathy for the fight Wisconsinites have waged.  And how VERY MUCH they have achieved, whether they win the recall or not.

      You know, I think it's time to agree to disagree.  I have NO WISH to waste another minute of my life arguing with someone who asks me---an ardent and involved activist in the Wisconsin recall, if I "get it."

      I get it, Marie.  In a way you never will.

      •  First -- not once did I use the word "odious." (1+ / 0-)
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        Second, I never said "that the problem is that odious state of Wisconsin."

        What I haven't seen from you or any of the others that responded to my first comment is an explanation for why the WI electoral baseline has been splitting 50/50 for over a decade.  Instead all of you have attacked me for not being knowledgeable or empathetic.  For not appreciating all the hard work of WI activists.  What were the recall election results?  How is Walker doing on his recall so far?

        Am sure you and other activists in WI are working hard or you wouldn't win any battles at all.  But doesn't seem as if you're making any permanent inroads into the "stupid" vote, and that makes each election that much more exhausting and fragile as money can buy "the stupid."  Had CA continued to ignore its progressive past and remained split 50/50%, Meg Whitman could have bought the governorship.  

        •  We won 2 very red districts last summer. We (1+ / 0-)
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          also never lost a Dem seat in the recalls. I am not sure that telling us to make permanent inroads into the stupid vote is going to do any good. What kind of advice is that?

          I am sure you are far away and therefore this seems theoretical to you, maybe even abstract.  To us, it is an everyday decision to go in to volunteer or not.

          I think Whitman lost because she screwed up the Latino vote.

        •  Ummmm. Just, no. (3+ / 0-)
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          You started out this part of the thread, noting that Wisconsin was responsible for McCarthy, and moving on to express your dissatisfaction that we activists seemed not able to move the needle beyond 50/50, and that's exactly where you are with this last post.

          So what if Wisconsin has been 50-50 for over a decade?  So what if Wisconsin has been purple?  What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  

          California also made the Arnold its governor, and many of us might spit on you for that.  But we won't because we know better.

          Fact is, you do indeed seem to not have much empathy for what it's taken to get as far as Wisconsin has in its recalls. Wisconsin has set records in this battle, has recalled and defeated two GOP senators---which with a resignation, has brought Democrats to a tie in power in the formerly GOP controlled senate.  We have also, of course, managed to recall the governor, which if you know anything about political history, has rarely been done. We'll see how that turns out.

          Marie, can't begin to tell you how unconcerned I am with your comparisons to what California did or didn't do. Can't tell you how unconcerned I am that you are arrogant enough to hold the state of Wisconsin responsible for moving the needle on "the stupid."  Hard enough just to do what's been done, let alone solve a nation wide problem.

          You go your way, Marie, we'll go ours.  You're not helpful.

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