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  •  A dose of cold water (5+ / 0-)

    I must commend the author of this diary, and the many thoughtful commenters.  I only wish that many more KOS'ers would join in the sort of rational, scientifically based discussion that occurred here.  We are facing a deep crisis and our society is childlike in its persistent denial of the situation.

    It would do us well to reflect on the basic laws of nature here, particularly the laws of thermodynamics.  For those unwilling to do the heavy lifting, I'll make it simple:  THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. There is no magic car that runs on water, or solar cell on the roof, or windmill, or bio-gas that can meet more than a small fraction of today's large and dense energy demands.  Most of the energy we use today took nature millions of years to create. We're burning it up in a few hundred.  The very food we eat is in the store for us to buy because of a huge input of fossil fuel.  I am not suggesting that we are collectively responsible for the reckless greed of the oil companies, but we are ALL consumers, large or small of the poison they sell.

    The reality is grim folks.  The long-term SUSTAINABLE population number for a world not fueled by coal and oil is, AT BEST, about one-third of the current 7+ billion.  And even at that number, without the fixed nitrogen fertilizer inputs that now come from oil and natural gas, we will be living back on the farm, lucky to have ANY fuel at all for tractors and other machinery.  Today's agriculture, with one farmer's fossil-fueled output feeding hundreds of city dwellers will be a thermodynamic impossibility.

    I hope we can get to that necessarily simpler world without a dark age of famine, pestilence and war.

    Labor was the first price paid for all things. It was not by money, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. - Adam Smith

    by boatwright on Tue Apr 17, 2012 at 06:07:15 PM PDT

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