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  •  Read Rachel's book (25+ / 0-)

    for a succinct and interesting summary of how Reagan set us up for Bush.  Even though I lived through the Reagan years as an adult there is much I've forgotten or never knew.  Really shocks me that we didn't scream bloody murder when Cheney and Bush ran in 2000.  Or riot and revolt when the SCOTUS gave them the top offices in the land.

    •  We were too slow on the uptake.... (5+ / 0-)

      ... and spent too much time picking our chins up off the floor and - unfortunately - followed His Meekness, Gore, who caved in without a whimper when he refused to stand up for the voting rights of those who had voted for him and insist on finishing the recount in FL.

      I was prepared to wait for months for the recount to happen.  It was media and Repukes who were all hot to trot to get an immediate decision much, much too soon.

      Then, in '04, His Meekness, Kerry, bowed out of the race much too soon, long before anyone could do anything about exposing the rigged e-voting machines.

      We've had notoriously meek Democratic candidates in the last twelve years who have refused to grow a backbone.

      There are no words to adequately express my profound disappointment that they are meekly following the Repuke lead even when they so clearly had a majority.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 01:02:56 PM PDT

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      •  The Supreme Court Ordered A Halt To The Count... (5+ / 0-)

        They've acknowledged the craven nature of their decision by handing it down unsigned and by stipulating that it not be used as precedent. What would you have had Mr. Gore do? The race was over the moment Bush v. Gore was announced.

        Obama is running the government he inherited. If you've got a government that is "designed" to funnel money to the rich and blow up brown people, that's what it's going to do.

        George W. Bush: Worst President In United States History

        by MacDaffy on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 01:32:54 PM PDT

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        •  I had hoped Gore... (4+ / 0-)

          ... (through his attorneys) would insist on the completion of the recount with more adamant rhetoric that indicated how unfair to the voters it was to stop the recount.

          Certainly, he had the support of little peons like me and others for the recount to move forward.

          I think SCOTUS was entirely wrong for stopping the FL recount, and I think Gore was wrong in meekly accepting the decision.

          It's that meekness that bowed before the Worst Pretzelnitwit in history and set the precedent for the next eight years.

          I live in MN.  We have paper ballots, easy registration (which the current Repuke legislature is trying to overthrow, along with insisting on a state vote on whether or not to have photo ID for voters - it will be on the ballot this fall), the recounts are transparent as glass, and you may remember the recount when Al Franken won by 312 votes in '08.

          When the vote totals for the position of governor came out within a recount margin two years ago, we had another recount in the governor's race and Dem Mark Dayton won.

          In 1962 when I was a young teenager, MN had another recount governor's race that was pretty famous (at least within MN) and set a lot of legal precedent in this state for recounts.  There have been a couple of instances in local county or city races where vote totals triggered a recount, too, so I don't think we'll be going to e-voting machines or anything so bizarre any time soon.

          I'm used to patiently waiting for a recount to take place, in other words, since, by law, it all happens out in the open, in public, and anyone can watch.  I can vouch for paper ballots as the safest method to vote and most accurate method of recounts - and I'm always very careful in shading in the ovals next to the candidates' names.  We have optical scanners, but if the count comes out within a certain margin, it triggers an automatic recount paid for by the state.  All other recounts called for by a candidate when totals are close but don't trigger an automatic recount have to be paid for by the candidate who called for the recount.

          Yeaaaaah....  In MN we take our voting rights very seriously.  We are patient as paint drying while the recount goes on in public, and it's just about as exciting to watch, but no one gets excited until the totals are verified, checked, and announced.  I was preparing for that type of thing in FL in 2000....

          WTF?  Hanging chads?  Then a repeat of idiocy with unverifiable recounts with e-voting machines in '04?  Those things need to be put in the recycling bin and all replaced with paper ballots, optical scanners, and hand recounts of paper ballots if/when necessary.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 02:41:36 PM PDT

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          •  Actually, WineRev (3+ / 0-)
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            made the Franken recount quite exciting, both by his humor and by relating the details of real democracy in action.  Cheers to MN for their transparent voting procedures.  It needs to be the case in every state.

            •  This is true.... (1+ / 0-)
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              :-)  But if you followed the in-state evening news when cameras were focused on the people counting the ballots..., well, I can imagine hours of that day after day would make one's eyes glaze over.  Had to be done, of course, and had to be done correctly, but counting is monotonous, at best.

              I admire WineRev for making it sound more exciting than the film footage.

              I admire Al Franken for keeping his mouth shut in a dignified manner and letting the process work its way to the inevitable conclusion.  Big-mouth Normie Coleman kept on blabbing and saying stupid things, as did his attorneys, so they were the real entertainment value.

              Still, having easy voter registration (same day, if people can't get to the courthouse to register or can't find the voter registration form in their phone books, etc.), having paper ballots that are simple to fill out (fill in the oval), optical scanners..., and a transparent by hand re-count process..., well, it doesn't get much more elementary than that.  Once registered, if one does not move and have to re-register in a new precinct, one's name will be on the computer printout at the polling station every year.  They just ask if it's me, I sign on the line, and go vote.  At certain times of the day there are no lines, so it takes all of 3-5 minutes to vote.

              Now the MN Repuke legislators want to f### it all up with photo ID voter registration.  At least we will get to vote on it this fall, and if people are sensible, the amendment will fail.

              I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

              by NonnyO on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 03:58:19 PM PDT

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