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  •  Are they even voting on whether (3+ / 0-)

    to continue the war or not?  But, then again, congress never voted to go to war with Afghanistan in the first place, it was just an expansion of the Iraq war.

    Use to be that every year the budget to continue war came up for vote, haven't heard about any vote to continue the war or about expansion funding.  Just raising the debt ceiling and adding to bigger deficits which I'm not sure the middle and lower class can pay off all by themselves without the wealthy and the corporations which the military keeps ports save for doesn't pitch in by paying some damn taxes fairly.

    My brother has been in Iraq the first Gulf War, my ex-husband was a Viet Nam veteran, my Uncle a second WWII veteran, and my Grandfather a WWI veteran.  I've had a whole life time of war in my fifty plus years, whereas someone like Mitt Romney family has never been touched by war.  How many Republicans and Democrats in Congress and Senate have family involved in the wars?  

    The whole point is they are using the military over and over again until they are either killed, maimed, or have such severe PTSD that they will always be scarred and then they aren't treating our guys appropriately.

    The whole point, for me, is why should the middle class and lower classes that are being constantly screwed in this country be fighting for the wealthy that does want to pay taxes, or don't have their own family involved in fighting.  Moreover, why should Congress and Senate that doesn't have family involved in this war be the ones who vote and a voice to send our families into the line of fire.  How about the people get a vote?


    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

    by zaka1 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 09:56:18 PM PDT

    •  Afghanistan came first, not Iraq. (3+ / 0-)
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      They did vote to go to war in Afghanistan, back in 2001.
      Barbara Lee was the only vote against it, IIRC.

    •  The more screwed you are, the easier it is (2+ / 0-)
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      for someone to hire you to play soldier.

      •  This is exactly (3+ / 0-)
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        what upsets me.  It is the poor and middle class and young unemployed that is being used by the corporations, congress and senate to continue wars we've been at for eleven years, with no end or goal in sight.  Remember how when Bush was in office they kept changing what the goal was to pull out of war, there was never an end point.

        This country is such a mess, and it really gets to me.  Literally everything is upside down.  So many of us didn't get better or increased wages in order to pay bigger wages to those on the top.  The whole trickle down theory has been one big lie, the spigot where life use to flow freely and there were choices has all but stop to a trickle.  I don't see how things can continue at this pace, like I said above it is getting out of hand for the average person and people are reaching their tipping points, period.

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 10:27:10 PM PDT

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        •  Seems like you should be occupying... (1+ / 0-)
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          You just have to learn to use fouler language:

          Literally everything is upside down. -> Shit is fucked up and stuff.

          I don't see how things can continue at this pace... people are reaching their tipping points -> The system has got to die, hella, hella Occupy.

          •  If I wasn't on disability (2+ / 0-)
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            I would be occupying, but if I get arrested or even hit in the head it could be potential fatal for me.  My skull now is being held together with titanium and screws and my balance sucks, I couldn't even run away, I'd fall, LOL.  And if you get arrested your state or federal support gets cut off.

            I support the OWS movement, because things are just too wrong to keep on going like they are.  I don't think the system is working for the majority of people and it is getting to the point where voting for someone because your scared shit-less of the other candidate is not a fair choice.  Sorry, that is how I feel.

            Just read someplace else that drones are going to be used in Yemen and that the FCC is going to allow Wall Street to trade derivatives again.  Hot damn we are so fucked as a country, more war, more Wall Street corruption all with the blessing of our lame ass leaders.  

            I'm sorry, I saw a friend of mine tonight who is working in retail since the 2008 crash, he has no family, and no health insurance because he can't afford it on his pay and he has MS.  It kills me to see what he goes through to bring home enough money to pay for rent and some food.  

            And the whole thing about the HCR that gets to me, I understand that prices are suppose to be lower, but there are still few who can afford the price of health insurance, even if people will get assistance with health insurance it is still going to have to come from somewhere, but where is that money going to come from?  And you know with all the low paying, part-time jobs people are getting to support themselves the majority of people are going to need help with health care insurance subsidies.

            Here is what gets me, I have a friend who is wonderful but she worked for the government for half of her working life and she gets a $90,000.00 a year pension and I worked in the private sector for forty some years before getting sick and have no pension and made a middle income under $48,000.00 all my retirement savings were wiped out first by paying off student loans and second by having a pre-existing slapped on me and going into medical debt.  I love my friend but why should I as a taxpayer be paying taxes to give someone else a king's salary for a pension while they want to take my SS and Medicare away?  It just makes my head swim.

            I think a lot of our tax dollars are also going to pay big government pensions and that isn't fair when it is rare for anyone in the private sector to have a pension and only be stuck with a 401K that is robbed at least four times before you retire on what Wall Street hasn't stole from you.

            "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

            by zaka1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 12:03:44 AM PDT

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