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    Instead of "Every single time were here cynics on here say "finally...blah blah blah"" it should read:

    "Every single time we hear cynics on here say "finally...blah blah blah""

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 04:45:48 PM PDT

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    •  The problem with that (1+ / 0-)
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      is that in Dec/Jan, the Rs got what they really wanted, which was the extension of the Bush cuts for the rich.

      The pact staving off the shut-down wasn't that fab either.

      I think Obama generally cuts the best deal he thinks he can get, and does okay, which realistically is what most leaders will do most of the time.  But he defintely dances the bargaining dance with them.  Many people want him to storm off the dance floor and somehow through popular barn-storming, shift the whole paradign.  That CAN happen sometimes:  our best example is FDR.  People can't help hoping for transformational leadership, even when they are getting good and decent leadership against tough odds.  Maybe ESPECIALLY then.    

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed Apr 18, 2012 at 04:56:35 PM PDT

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      •  huh? Bush tax cuts? (0+ / 0-)

        I am talking about Middle Class tax cut votes of Dec 2011 and the extension in Feb 2012, not Dec 2010. Did you miss the White House's "What can you do with $40 dollars" before the Christmas break, that drove GOP insane and got McConnell & Boehner trapped in PBO's vice?

        "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

        by zizi on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 02:17:38 PM PDT

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        •  And why WOULDN'T you talk about Dec 2010? (0+ / 0-)

          It was a huge debacle.  

          As for Feb 2012, I am not at all a fan of the payroll tax "holiday".   I think it is a fatal trap that we're now neck deep in, wherein any time we move to put social security back on a sustainable basis it will be a big no-no "tax increase".   Sure, we needed stimulus dollars in the pockets of people who would spend them, but IMO this was one of the worst POSSIBLE ways to accomplish that.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 03:01:11 PM PDT

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