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  •  I've seen what light infantry (4+ / 0-)
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    has to carry into battle, and light is not accurate. They carry anywhere from 100 to 150 lbs on their back while marching several miles.

    I think for areas like mechanized infantry and tanks, the pure requirement for physical strength is much less. I've also been assigned to mech infantry units, and that's not something a good percentage of women couldn't do. (i.e. I mean to say they could do it but my use of negatives might be confusing).

    I'm not sure more than a handful of women could do light infantry. I know as a 200 lb man I certainly would be a failure at it, even back when I was in great shape.

    I'm not against qualified women trying it out, as I have seen a few women who I believe would be able to do it, and thus it is difficult to come up with a good reason why they shouldn't get the chance.

    •  Just one point. (4+ / 0-)
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      Audie Murphy was 5-5, 110 lbs. He was rejected by the Paratroopers, Marines, and Navy as being too short and underweight.

      He went on to receive the Medal of Honor, DSC, two Silver Stars, two Bronze Stars for Valor and three Purple Hearts. The most highly decorated GI of World War II.

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      by TarantinoDork on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 10:48:20 AM PDT

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      •  different time (1+ / 0-)
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        they didn't carry the gear necessarily way back then that folks pack on now.

        I've already noted that there are likely to be the rare women who could handle the physical requirements, and thus I support them being allowed to try, so not sure why citing one person from 70 years ago is illustrative of much other than that there are exceptions to every rule...which I, again, agreed to in my original post.

        The reality remains, IMO a majority of men couldn't handle the physical requirements of light infantry in today's military based on what I've observed, and neither could the vast majority of women.

        Mech infantry/tank on the other hand, I think has a much lower barrier of entry to women because they drive where they are going, they aren't carrying much more than an assault pack and a weapon if they aren't in a vehicle, so all that is required there is fitness, not strength...and that's in the purview of most men and most women.

        There is a difference.

      •  two comments on this USMC change of policy: (5+ / 0-)
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        1. About stinkin' time they recognize that in modern warfare the "front line" is as irregular and ill-defined as can be -- so teach all servicemembers not just to expect to be in it but to adapt, overcome, and thrive despite it.

        2. Audie Murphy is the penultimate example that it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog; that Texas farmboy might not have been the size of Ted Nugent or Arnold Schwarzenegger, but in the real-world nastiness he was many times more effective than either of them could dream of being.

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        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 11:17:41 AM PDT

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      •  Marine Lt. General Victor H. Krulak, ret. (2+ / 0-)
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        Was nicknamed "Brute" as a 5'4'' 120lb plebe at Annapolis and embraced the nickname with passion, like everything else he did in life. General Krulak was the most influential Marine of his generation and served in WWII, winning the Navy Cross at the battle of Choiseul Island, as well as Korea, and Vietnam. He would have been named Commandant has he not been such a critic of how LBJ was managing the Vietnam War.  He is the author of the classic "First to Fight" a history of his beloved Marines.

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        by VClib on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 12:00:41 PM PDT

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    •  Women can outcompete men in extreme endurance (2+ / 0-)
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      events.   Most sporting events are designed for men, but when it comes to real long distance events like ultramarathons women start to outcompete men.  

      http://faculty.washington.edu/...

      Women also tend to be slightly better shots.  

      •  not about extreme endurance (0+ / 0-)

        its about raw strength. This isn't about extreme cardiovascular ability or about the ability to maintain a pace for a long time, it's about the ability to hump 140 pounds several miles, and that takes raw strength.

        I don't know why the idea that men are physically stronger than women is something that's being opposed so.

      •  ok just read your link (0+ / 0-)

        it doesn't say at all what you purported it to say.

        That;s not cool.

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