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  •  Not all work comes... (0+ / 0-)

    ... with a paycheck. That shouldn't be difficult to see.

    How would you pay mothers? Just cut every mother in the United States a check? For how much? How are you going to pay for that?

    •  That's not really the point, you know. (8+ / 0-)

      Republicans have spent the past week saying that being a mother is the hardest job on the planet. And the most important. Ann Romney said that Mitt often said her job was far more important than his.

      So ... if it's that important, there ought to be a way to compensate women for doing the most important job there is to do, right? You could, say, allow all unemployed mothers to have access to Medicare, since they can't get health insurance through their employer, since they aren't employed. You could find a way to not penalize women through Social Security for taking themselves out of the work force in order to perform the most important job there is.

      You could give them big fat tax credits; after all, if they're doing the most important work there is, that work should be rewarded with greater tax cuts than, say, making cash off your dividends or owning a private jet or sitting around on your rich ass with your money stashed away in the Cayman Islands.

      But we don't do that, do we? Because the reality is that we don't really value the work mothers do. And as you can see from the post, Republicans think the idea of compensating women in any way for doing this most important of jobs is ridiculous and disgusting.

    •  How about starting with SSN for her WORK (3+ / 0-)
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      How about a big Discount for college or continuing edu?

      HOW about just making a space for them in society that doesn't devalue their contributions to society as if while pushing a baby out, their brain went with it.

      •  The last thing is obviously important. (0+ / 0-)

        Society clearly needs to value mothers far more than it does now.

        As for things like "big discounts for college," my question stands: how are you going to pay for something like that? That's a massive entitlement that most women are going to qualify to receive.

        I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea. I'm just saying that there is another side of the equation whenever you propose giving people money, especially on this scale. It's a lot of money. Where is it coming from?

    •  four comments... since joining 2 days ago (1+ / 0-)
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      "The death penalty is never about the criminal. They've already done their worst. The question is always "will we join them"?" - jlynne

      by Hopeful Skeptic on Thu Apr 19, 2012 at 07:08:18 PM PDT

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    •  Name one thing other than motherhood, (0+ / 0-)

      that is uncompensated work.

      "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

      by SaraBeth on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 05:31:06 AM PDT

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      •  Any number of charity jobs... (0+ / 0-)

        But that's not the point. I didn't say it's uncompensated; I said mothers don't get a check.

        It's obviously compensated: it is self-compensating. All the good mothers I know are happy to raise their children; they take joy in it. Of course, you then also have the security of knowing that those children will care for you in your old age. That is a form of compensation. The continuation of the race and the various other distributed social benefits that come from raising children well are all massive forms of compensation as well.

        My point was simply that not all compensation can be monetized. There are some things as human beings that we do precisely because we believe that such things are more important that money itself. Raising children is one of them. If there is nobody willing to raise children, you might as well burn all your money because it's meaningless. Money has value because we believe the human race is going to survive.

        •  So you put motherhood up there with (0+ / 0-)

          volunteerism.... gotcha...

          "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

          by SaraBeth on Fri Apr 20, 2012 at 05:27:03 PM PDT

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          •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

            What a completely feckless reply. You addressed none of the substance of my comment.

            Your challenge to me was to name at least one other form of uncompensated work. Volunteerism is indeed such an example. Having been proven wrong, you decided to assume falsely that I equated volunteerism and motherhood in dignity rather than simply in their lack of compensation. Do you really believe that I wouldn't recognise that attempt to make a straw-man by shifting the manner in which I was comparing them? It is completely transparent. If you are going to argue fallaciously, at least learn how to do it well.

            You might do well also in reading and considering the rest of what I said. Perhaps you can then make a valuable reply.

            •  I got from your post nothing but bullshit, (1+ / 0-)
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              and I treated it as such.

              A volunteer is not on call 24/7. Being a mother does not stop when their children leave home.. once a mother always a mother. A mother never stops worrying about and helping her children until she dies.

              Nor does she expect to be cared for when she is old. Most do NOT want to be burden to there kids.

              According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics women volunteer at a higher rate than men across all age groups, educational levels, and other major demographic characteristics. So you can add volunteerism to a mother's already loaded plate.

              From your comments it is quite clear that you haven't a clue as to what you are talking about... from your posting history, you are just here to stir shit, not discuss anything of substance...And when you are called on it you act all offended... sorry, I'm all out of smelling salts and fainting couches..

              "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

              by SaraBeth on Sat Apr 21, 2012 at 03:04:02 AM PDT

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              •  Just checked his comment history (0+ / 0-)

                and I have to agree-- a pattern is emerging.  

              •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

                That was not my intention. And I'm not offended at all. I certainly don't have the emotional energy to take offense at every person who misunderstands me.

                At any rate, my point was simply this: mothers perform a function in society that is more valuable than money. In fact, the function which they perform is what gives money its value, as I said in my original reply to you.

                So this notion you have that I am somehow attempting to drag motherhood through the mud is completely unfounded.

                It is also worth noting that I was completely in agreement about giving mothers various social benefits which make their task less burdensome. I just am wary of the value judgments which must motivate the desire to cut mothers a check for being mothers. It is a silly idea in light of what mothers do and why they do it.

                If you can't see that, then my concern is well justified.

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