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  •  Yeah, the pension rule is unfair to the USPS. (0+ / 0-)

    But that doesn't mean that it is debatable whether 6-day a week delivery for everybody is really necessary in the electronic communication age. I'd like to see Democrats be for major streamlining and change when it is called for, even if it means the loss of some jobs. Since we are the Party that is for greater support for government, it is critical that we show the public that we will do all that is possible to be efficient with their taxpayer dollars.

    •  So let's say you work full time (9+ / 0-)

      and you have a package to mail.  

      When do you go to the Post Office if it's closed on Saturday?  You go there the one night per week they may be open an extra hour.  If not, you leave work early to rush there before they close.


      Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

      by delphine on Sun Apr 22, 2012 at 08:01:25 AM PDT

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      •  Mail that package electronically! (8+ / 0-)

        Don't you know?  Put it in the transporter beam and it will rematerialize at the other end! Ta-da!

        People who say we don't need the Postal Service due to the "electronic communication age" have no idea what the Postal Service does.  The fact is, the "electronic communication age" has ushered in a new era of internet commerce that requires the services of the USPS even MORE, not less.  The USPS provides a reliable, economical way for thousands of businesses to ship their goods all across the world.  It's not just delivering you the birthday card from Aunt Millie once a year.

        Our society is already at a point where it demands goods/services 24/7.  Reducing the hours of operation by eliminating Saturday delivery puts the Postal Service at a competitive disadvantage and the alleged/debatable/controversial cost reductions would be entirely negated by lost revenue.

        by kayebee on Sun Apr 22, 2012 at 09:19:27 AM PDT

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      •  Also, let's say you buy something online (5+ / 0-)

        and you would like it to be delivered promptly (like everyone who buys anything).

        If Saturday mail services are eliminated, your package could take an extra two to three days to arrive. This would make using the USPS less desirable, forcing people who want speedy delivery of their internet purchases to click on FedEx or UPS, even though they are much more expensive than the USPS.

        This is important because the ONLY category of USPS mail that is growing these days is package mail, thanks to so many of us shopping on Amazon, Ebay, and other internet sites.  It's the one category of mail that the internet has helped to increase.

        If McDonalds had a bad year or two, would they propose to eliminate the only menu item whose sales were actually increasing? No, unless the people in charge were just trying to go out of business. Hmm.

    •  I appreciate your attempt to provide a (6+ / 0-)

      substantive question about the situation.

      Here's one way of looking at it. Ask yourself: who, and how many, are you willing to put out of work to make it run more  efficient? What can be done to make sure they don't just fall without anything soft to catch them?

      Taking away Saturday delivery wouldn't just effect x number of USPS jobs. Seniors and low-income folks sometimes experience delays in their SSI checks arrive in the mail right now with a 6-day delivery week. Is taking one delivery day away from them an acceptable egg to break to make the omelette of a leaner, more efficient USPS? SSI checks, or other forms of assistance many people receive in the mail can often be the difference between being able to pay for a necessity like rent and being thrown out on the streets. A good portion of them may not have a bank or credit union so that rules out direct deposit. A lot o them may only have a Saturday to go and cash those checks, often at places that charge a processing fee.

      Sometimes it's necessary to take into consideration not just what will make numbers look better, but what is the real-world impact of such steps to achieve those numbers.

      and this:

      Since we are the Party that is for greater support for government, it is critical that we show the public that we will do all that is possible to be efficient with their taxpayer dollars.
      (italics mine)

      You are aware that not one red cent of USPS's revenue comes from tax dollar - right?

      liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

      by RockyMtnLib on Sun Apr 22, 2012 at 12:14:31 PM PDT

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    •  That would be great (2+ / 0-)
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      If the USPS received any taxpayer funding or was even part of the Federal budget but it isn't. It is a special corporation that isn't part of the government at all.

      Streamlining it or even doing anything with it wouldn't do anything to show efficiency with taxpayer dollars.

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