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  •  That was my impression Sunday. (3+ / 0-)
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    Celtic Pugilist, Ahianne, lgmcp

    Maybe I'm projecting. I've been fighting the impulse to stay away or walk out. But my instinct was that respectful dissent would be more effective with the priests in our parish. They are really good folks, just employed by the Bishops...who were brought up 50 years ago in a very wierd environment.

    •  I'm not catholic, but appreciate (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that the average pastor in any denomination is more concerned about his/her congregation than any larger organization will be (assuming that he/she is competent, of course.)  It is important to recognize one's natural allies at a local level...or at least not ignoring those who aren't outright hostile to your view.  Nurturing the grass roots (lowest level local) is what has given the religious right so much control.  

      "Money is like manure. You have to spread it around or it smells." J. Paul Getty

      by Celtic Pugilist on Mon Apr 23, 2012 at 09:36:02 PM PDT

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    •  I know a lesbian couple who adopted (0+ / 0-)

      a newborn child, and at about six months of age had the baby baptized in their Catholiic church, with both of them named as the parents.  Big, traditional Hispanic family, and one of the moms baptized and confirmed in that same church.  I'm sure the diocese wouldn't have approved, but nobody drew their attention to it.   The moms worked it out quietly with their parish priest and just sort of flew under the radar.  

      We attended the ceremony, and the church which seats perhaps several hundred was mostly full.  Two or three other babies were baptized on the same day, and the whole crowd seemed totally fine with it.

      I was impressed.  While I know that plenty of individual Catholics unapologetically take a "cafeteria" approach, I had not realized that such a large and traditional congregation would do the same.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 09:03:00 AM PDT

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      •  An old Catholic tradition (1+ / 0-)
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        Look, most of Europe is technically Catholic, and most of them are "secular humanist" in practice except when they are baptised, married, and buried. They are far more moral in many ways than the ultra "religious."

        But I do feel bad about my own reactions (often in my comments here) to the organized church hierarchy--they are so "un-Catholic" compared to the good folks I know.

        I'm especially incensed about the way American nuns are being treated!

        •  Nuns are going to be feminists. (0+ / 0-)

          There's really nothing you can do about it!

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 07:20:48 AM PDT

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