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  •  Roundup is a dessicant (0+ / 0-)

    It dries  - dehydrates the hell out of a plant.  It would be interesting to see a study showing a link between the acting agent that dehydrates the plant in Roundup and the same agent working on the bees.  I haven't seen any and I'm not sure there would be a valid connection, but maybe there is.

    Well, I guess I don't know what you mean by "equal justice under the law." - Bushy McSpokesperson

    by gatorcog on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 02:51:09 PM PDT

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    •  Glyphosate (Roundup) Is Not A Dessicant... (1+ / 0-)
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      It may appear to be one because the leaves shrivel and die off.  Roundup inhibits the enzyme EPSP synthase.  Without this enzyme the plant is not able to produce necessary proteins that are essential for plant growth.

      Some herbicides prevent photosynthesis.

      I doubt that bees have the enzyme EPSP synthase, so they shouldn't be impacted by glyphosate (Roundup).

      •  From Occupy Monsanto site: (1+ / 0-)
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        Bees Harmed By Neonicotinoid Pesticides, Studies Show

        Scientists have discovered ways in which even low doses of widely used pesticides can harm bumblebees and honeybees, interfering with their homing abilities and making them lose their way.

        “In North America, several bumblebee species which used to be common have more or less disappeared from the entire continent,” while in Britain, three species have become extinct, he said in a statement.

        “So far, they (the procedures) mostly require manufacturers to ensure that doses encountered on the field do not kill bees, but they basically ignore the consequences of doses that do not kill them but may cause behavioral difficulties,” he said in a statement.

        WE face the very real possibility of the collapse of our entire ecosystem and the death of most life on this planet from these "uncontrolled experiments" being carried out by companies that should be de-listed and their executives be put on trial for crimes against humanity. And you'd have a debate on the minutea of one enzyme blocker?

        Please try to see the bigger picture here.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Apr 24, 2012 at 11:24:34 PM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately, we define crime as an (1+ / 0-)
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          intentional act.  Unintended consequences and accidents don't count, regardless of the fact they do more harm than criminal acts.
          Think how much collateral damage we left behind in Iraq.

          People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

          by hannah on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:38:42 AM PDT

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          •  That depends doesn't it? (0+ / 0-)

            Manslaughter charges.

            It was an accident that I bought off the EPA & USDA investigators that accidentally deleted the "anomalous" study results.

            As for the "collateral damage" in Iraq, that was a known consequence of bombing hospitals and water treatment facilities....

            I do understand your point but the "GRAS" (Generally Recognized As Safe) designation/labeling is not an accident either.  It's a way for corporations to skirt any legitimate testing of their products for actual safety before they go onto the market.

            Árpád Pusztai's studies almost 20 yrs ago proved Monsanto's GMO products were dangerous.  He was discredited, lost his job, tenure and was run out of town for telling the truth.

            That was no accident either.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 04:42:58 PM PDT

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      •  The first I ever heard of Roundup (1+ / 0-)
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        it was touted as a way to get rid of cattails in a lake.  When I suggested it would be better to pull the cattails out with the roots, it was explained by the environmental protection people they couldn't do that because they cattails would be so laden with pollutants they'd taken out of the water contaminated by road run-off that they couldn't take them to the dump. So, I asked what was the problem with just leaving them there and letting them filter the heavy metals etc. out of the water.  That brought us to the real reason for "cleaning" out the lake -- the cattails were making it hard for fishermen to catch fish.  Which, if the waters were polluted with urban run-off, people should eat anyway.

        Sport fishing, IMHO, is killing for sport -- not an edifying human attribute.

        People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

        by hannah on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:35:59 AM PDT

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      •  I stand corrected, thank you n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        Well, I guess I don't know what you mean by "equal justice under the law." - Bushy McSpokesperson

        by gatorcog on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 12:42:56 PM PDT

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