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  •  No, that's NOT enough, because it's church leaders (3+ / 0-)

    ... who are combining religion and politics, and actively lobbying the government. Whatever other "political currents" are at work within the Roman Catholic church in America are obviously regarded as anathema by the bishops criticizing, among others, the church's own nuns.

    I don't regard Kaili's article as confusing anything.

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    by TRPChicago on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:29:13 AM PDT

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    •  There's Biblical support (0+ / 0-)

      for every possible political position, and most U.S. politicians claim Biblical support for whatever they want to do.  In addition, by their very nature, religious organizations usually try to enforce doctrinal discipline - how else can they exist?  

      I just can't see how it helps to sign on to the underlying dogma by lining up with one or another side of an obscure doctrinal dispute.

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      by rhutcheson on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 11:39:38 AM PDT

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      •  With respect, I think you're overstating. (0+ / 0-)

        It's quite rare to hear politicians justify legislation or regulations on biblical texts, at least nationally and in the three states I'm most familiar with.

        And churches don't seem to have any practical ways to "enforce" their doctrines, at least not by anything other than hellfire rhetoric, or Roman Catholics wouldn't be practicing birth control. Churches exist by their own forms of belief and advocacy for it ... and I would note what appears to be dramatic attrition in the ranks of new Catholic priests.

        Insofar as obscure disputes go, what's obscure about trying to get insurers to cover contraceptives and counseling, or caring for the poor and assuring widely available and affordable medical care? It doesn't seem to me that the Catholic church is arguing subtle points of doctrine on these issues.

        Perhaps I'm missing your point about getting involved in internicene matters, but I think I'm correctly reading and judging the church's thrust into policy making and politics, for better and worse.

        Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

        by TRPChicago on Wed Apr 25, 2012 at 02:51:41 PM PDT

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