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  •  There's little support for leftist insurrections. (0+ / 0-)

    The previous one ended up essentially a proxy war, I doubt there'd be anyone on the communist side this time around.

    •  There wouldn't be a communist side (2+ / 0-)
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      there would be an Anarchist side.  There is most definitely rising support for left insurrectionists in Greece at this point.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 09:17:55 AM PDT

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      •  I don't see it (1+ / 0-)
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        They seem content to play at revolution without actually doing any kind of basebuilding or organizing.  Spain, maybe; the 50-100,000 people in the CNT and CGT attest to that.  Without an economic base, all you can do is (figuratively) snipe from the sidelines.

        •  Given the Anarchists' role in the run up to (1+ / 0-)
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          recent events I think they are in good position in regards to public perception among the working class and the poor, especially given the role of many unions.  When people see their leaders betray them again and again it makes the case for a leaderless movement and there is an ideology in place for that.  Add to it the role anarchists playing in the downfall of the Fascist regime and as a group they are one of the few places people can turn to.

          They should be working more on organizing economic bases, but as much unemployment as there is that seems less and less like it will bear fruit for the amount of effort that you have to put into it.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 02:52:35 PM PDT

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          •  Just things like (2+ / 0-)
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            food, shelter, and basic health services are enough.  You have to work your way up Maslow's hierarchy of needs starting at the bottom.

            •  An insurrection isn't a revolution (1+ / 0-)
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              In an insurrection those aren't the key aspects.  An insurrection is an expression of anger, not of planning.

              There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Fri Apr 27, 2012 at 09:27:21 PM PDT

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              •  but (1+ / 0-)
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                where does the insurrection come from?  IMO a social base, which is created by an economic base.  Everyone is angry, but everyone's breaking point has to happen at the same time or you get individual outbursts that are swiftly recuperated.

                •  I'd point out the LA inssurection (1+ / 0-)
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                  as being an example of what I'm talking about.  I don't see an insurrection as having a social base, nor is it necessarily sustainable.  That would be a revolution.

                  There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                  by AoT on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 02:43:05 PM PDT

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