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  •  so.. I played a little association game in my head (1+ / 1-)
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    now I know its a bit sensitive of a subject.. but hey..the associative element of my brain doesn't know that so here is what I thought...

    "Mormon Man"          -       multiple wives

    gee - Mitt has an enormous problem trying to deny the War on Women, doesn't he..

    I mean he certainly doesn't consider women to be full partners - he can have many subservient wives.. right? This is potentially devastating in the context of an ad like this.. I mean my first thought is - "Of course he believes in this stuff - he's a Mormon..right?"

    So he will find it incredibly hard to deny - subconsciously people know he doesn't believe women are equals. That will make it nearly impossible for him to convince voters otherwise.

    It is not his religion per se, or that it is considered a cult by some.. it is the connection here that will make his Mormonism cost him dearly at the polls.. hey GOP good luck convincing us otherwise with Mitt as your candidate.

    •  Give the side of your head a little thump. (9+ / 0-)

      Your brain is stuck on Mormon.

      Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

      by HappyinNM on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 12:24:04 PM PDT

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    •  Most Mormons are not polygamous (14+ / 0-)

      and I doubt that Mitt has any tendencies that way.
      Polygamy is also illegal.

      The only connections I would make are the ones that this ad does so well--connecting Mitt and the right wing agenda of protecting wealth at all costs.

      •  And the way the fundi-mormons get around that is (3+ / 0-)
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        by NOT getting legally married. That is why the huge fundi compounds are still in existence even though, in one case, their leader is in jail (for underaged assault, basically).

        But don't go so far as to believe that the LDS church doesn't believe in polygamy. That is exactly what they end up with if one is remarried given their afterlife beliefs.

        And WHY any woman would want that--let alone ignore it given LDS teaching--is beyond me.

        And as to being treated equally in the belief, um no. NOT. Going. To. Happen.

        Inequality is literally built into the belief.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 12:56:38 PM PDT

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        •  Some of us think that inequality (15+ / 0-)

          is built into every God the Father religion. The Catholic Bishops are as egregiously misogynist as the Mormons, and so are most of the fundies -- and Islam and Judaism have their share of misogynists. For that matter, so does Vedanta Hinduism.

          Misogyny and patriarchal religion is a global disease.

          Women are the only oppressed group not allowed to name their oppressors.

          by atana on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 01:39:38 PM PDT

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          •  Probably so. I have limited experience with some (4+ / 0-)
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            of those, but more experience with LDS.

            202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

            by cany on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 02:48:07 PM PDT

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            •  I once happened upon (1+ / 0-)
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              an isolated Mormon community where everyone seemed to be related. I suspected incest and/or child marriage, judging by some things I witnessed.

              That type of situation could occur, of course, without any religious connotation at all. I'm hesitant to ascribe such characteristics to all members of a group.

              A truly kind Mormon man gave me a ride from Denver up to Laramie one time when I was hitchhiking. There was no proselytizing at all, just a man who wanted to make sure this foolish waif would be safe.

              And I recall an unhappy young Mormon woman in her early twenties who already had five children and whose husband wanted to have more. If she didn't eventually head out to parts unknown, just to get some freedom, I'll eat my hat.

    •  hide rated for inappropriate attack (2+ / 0-)
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      I don't think his religion is any more a rightful ground of attack than Obama's was.

      "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." - Voltaire

      by DrFrankLives on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 08:50:56 PM PDT

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      •  that is plain silly. (0+ / 0-)

        People aren't allowed to acknowledge that prejudices exist without being hide rated?

        wow...

        if he were polygamist.. would it be valid then?

        do people think that not all Mormon's are polygamist?..  not sure..

        but do people associate Polygamy with Mormonism?.. yep

        just cause you immediately go to the easy conclusion that I was attacking someone on the basis of religion.. you are wrong. I am making a statement about human behavior..
        people make that association right or wrong. That will make it harder to convince people that he really is against the WoW.

        That is not any different than saying racism exists and inhibits Obama's ability to convince some people he is on their side.

        Neither are an attack on the basis of religion. Both are a statement on human behavior...

        there is a difference that seems to escape you.

        But hey mr. Rating Police - thanks for giving me my first one! - I musta been out of my mind to bring up this subject here - I knew someone would get bent out of shape by making the wrong conclusion.

    •  The Dems should stay miles away from any (2+ / 0-)
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      Mormon references of any kind.  If not, the Republicans will use them to create the same kind of ersatz controversy they did over Hilary Rosen's remark about Ann Romney.   And they'll use them as an excuse to bray about Rev. Wright for weeks on end.  

      Mitt Romney offers so many targets unrelated to religion that the Dems won't be able to milk them all before election day anyway.

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Sat Apr 28, 2012 at 09:46:53 PM PDT

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