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  •  will not agree (7+ / 0-)

    With ths sentiment.

    This wasn't an action of seconds where one could say, oh, they are kids.Bad judgement.

    Their violent acts continued. Their glee and boasting over this continued with the sharing of the videotape. This was not a youthful mistake. They acted in concert with one another. They were completely aware of the power they had over Alisa while she was unconscious.

    What youthful mistake inserts a burning cigarette into the vagina of a teenage girl? Who thinks to anally and vaginally rape an unconscious 16 year old girl with a pool cue? Just a youthful mistake? A prank? Should be tried as a juvenile for these acts?

    I absolutely do not agree.

    All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

    by kishik on Tue May 01, 2012 at 07:24:39 AM PDT

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    •  In another diary I was reprimanded (0+ / 0-)

      because I think that sixteen-year-old girls should be able to wear high heels if they want to.  It seems sexist to say that sixteen-year-old girls should be treated as absolute children, and seventeen-year-old boys should be treated as adults and sent to prison where they will surely be raped.

      SwedishJewfish pointed out that they were sentenced at 20, so that's fine then that they were in adult prison.  And they certainly should have longer sentences than they received.  Even a 12-year-old doing such acts should get many years locked up.  But kids shouldn't be in adult prisons, no matter how heinous the crime.

      •  As an aunt... (2+ / 0-)
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        to a nephew who is in jail... and first offense was at 17 (aggravated felony, crime with a weapon)- I understand where you are coming from.  However, even as the aunt to my nephew?  Harsh reality is that he was tried as an adult.  He was lucky to have 6 months of his two year sentence in a juvenile facility - but then was placed in prison at 18.

        My nephew is an addict.  He committed the crimes for money to support his habit.  Should he use this as an excuse?  Or use his youth as an excuse?  I don't believe so.  Ultimately, he needed to face the consequences of his actions.  

        I am not reprimanding you.  I just don't agree with your sentiment.

        All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

        by kishik on Tue May 01, 2012 at 07:48:30 AM PDT

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      •  IIRC (5+ / 0-)

        You were talking about Tweens, not 16 year olds. I also don't see the correlative between those two examples.

        I would have the same reaction if this crime was committed by 17 year old females.

        Also, they would stand a very good chance of being raped in Juvi too. Denise wrote a diary recently that talks about the rampant sexual violence in juvenile facilities. Meteor Blades was raped while in juvi-it's unfortunately very common in all prison environments.

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        by SwedishJewfish on Tue May 01, 2012 at 07:49:11 AM PDT

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    •  And they continue to show no remorse (13+ / 0-)

      and take every opportunity to keep on smearing and shaming her. They put on a big show of crying and showing "remorse" at their sentencing-and then as soon as they get out, all 3 of them appeal their RSO status.

      Did you see what Kyle Nachreiner said about Alisa in his recent interview? Here is a sampling:

      "Everyone is responsible for everything that happened,'' he says. "I'm responsible for behaving how I did. For hanging out with people I didn't trust ... For being ignorant. She's responsible for going there, for bragging that she's a porn star."

      His tone hardens when he talks about Jane Doe.

      "I don't believe for one second she was unconscious,'' he says.

      When asked if he knew what he was doing at the time was wrong, he pauses before answering.

      "Had it been any other girl, maybe."

      Nachreiner met Jane Doe the night before, at a party, during which Haidl played a video of her and Spann having sex.

      "She's someone at age 17 made a sex video,'' Nachreiner says. "It doesn't excuse what took place that night. It wasn't typical teenage behavior. But it was all of our behavior, including her."

      This is the same interview where he called being a registered sex offender "the worst form of degradation there is"
      Alisa had a kickass response (link)

      "The worst form of degradation there is," Jane Doe told me in a recent e-mail, "is being sexually assaulted while unconscious by the people you call your friends."

      Her note came after several weeks of phone calls and e-mails to her lawyer, Sheldon Lodmer. Jane Doe agreed to respond only through her attorney and only to written questions.

      Still, she had something powerful to say, adding more about "degradation."

      "(Try) having your entire life and medical history put out in the open for the public to see and slander your name more. Then top it off with 24 jurors between two different trials, lawyers, judges, law enforcement and many others watching a videotape of your lifeless, naked body being sexual assaulted and abused.

      "Now that is true degradation."

      [SNIP]

      I asked what Jane Doe would say if she saw Nachreiner.

      "Kyle you have not changed," Jane Doe wrote. "It is time to grow up, be a man and accept all the consequences of your thoughtless actions.

      "You should have stopped and thought about the lifelong repercussions of the crimes you committed before you committed them.

      "Sadly you didn't, so now accept your punishment and know all the consequences you received (and that) you truly deserve."

      I asked Jane Doe about Nachreiner's claim she was partly responsible.

      "This is ridiculous," Jane Doe stated. "The only thing that I am responsible for is being too trustworthy of the people I thought were my friends."

      I asked about Nachreiner's contention that she was conscious.

      "It appears to me that Kyle still has to lie to himself about what was on that videotape and the crimes he committed during it," Jane Doe stated, "proving he still won't take full responsibility for what he did and he continues to show no remorse for his actions and the lives he ruined."

      I don't even know this woman and I fucking LOVE her!

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      by SwedishJewfish on Tue May 01, 2012 at 07:35:39 AM PDT

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      •  I don't even know this woman & I fucking LOVE her (4+ / 0-)
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        I remember making a similar comment once.

        I'm glad I know her better now.  :-)

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        by TX Freethinker on Tue May 01, 2012 at 07:58:33 AM PDT

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      •  Influence of the porn industry on young women. (4+ / 0-)
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        I see some of that in this story.  Who is that porn star who is lionized? Oh yes, Sasha Gray.  She is cool to some.  Rebellious young women might look to her as model and do such things as shave their bodies, even participate in filmed sex acts.  And that is sad.

        But in any case, she was unconscious when she was raped so none of these details is at all relevant.

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        by Time Waits for no Woman on Tue May 01, 2012 at 08:17:08 AM PDT

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      •  Degradation (4+ / 0-)
        top it off with 24 jurors between two different trials, lawyers, judges, law enforcement and many others watching a videotape of your lifeless, naked body being sexual assaulted and abused.
        The boys should have found this just as degrading - they were on the tapes too. Think most of us wince over recollection of stupid things done or said in the past, let alone "evidence" such as voice mail record, or an e-mail string.  If they had an ounce - even 1/4 teaspoon - of remorse they should have felt crushing self disgust watching that very same video.

        from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

        by Catte Nappe on Tue May 01, 2012 at 12:59:10 PM PDT

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