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  •  also, a mechanical word. (1+ / 0-)
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    if used at all it should be between lovers of longstanding, it seems to me.

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    by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 05:25:50 PM PDT

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    •  The issue at hand is not etiquette (0+ / 0-)

      it's whether he was using the word "screw" to mean "rape"!  I think that you have to give someone the benefit of the doubt there.

      If he had said, "tie her down," "hold her down," "spike her drink," or anything like that, I'd agree with you.  But he didn't.

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      by Seneca Doane on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 06:26:42 PM PDT

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      •  Seneca... we're talking about a female child here (4+ / 0-)

        who was kissing a (girl)friend which resulted in advice to her father to have one of his adult friends... older geezer guys his age... screw his daughter straight.

        Not sure how the hell you are getting off the rails with this one.

        Daughter kissed a girl ergo

        advice to dad to get an adult male friend of his and

        have the adult male screw the underage daughter until

        girl-kissing teen-daughter is now straight

        as a result of said screw by older friend of dad's.

        •  bronte, I'm not defending the homophobia (1+ / 0-)
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          and I'm not defending it from a charge of statutory rape -- if one presumes that he was saying "do this now" as opposed to "at some time in the future."

          I'm addressing one thing: "did he say that the daughter should be raped?"

          Let's say that he had said this -- none of which contradicts what he did say:

          Tell ya what, dude -- wait until she's 18, then hire some good lookin' older guy to go after her with candy and flowers and end up screwin' her for a month -- then she sure won't be some lesbian!  Haw-haw!
          Would that be offensive?  Yes.

          Would that be homophobic?  Yes.

          Would that be misogynistic?  I'd say so.

          Would that be advocating rape?  No.

          Advocating rape is a whole different level of evil than even homophobia and misogyny.  Before I accept that someone said it, I want to be sure that they actually said it.  I don't think that you can get there, in this case, without inferences that aren't strictly warranted.

          Given that we're talking about a campaign here to get someone fired, yes I'm going to make sure that we're actually right about the charge.

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          Of the 99% --
          That's our intent!

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          by Seneca Doane on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:54:39 PM PDT

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          •  Seneca... please realize that the word rape (3+ / 0-)
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            is not even in the mind of many men who do indeed commit rape. But, they don't see their actions as rape.

            For example, the "virginity tests" done on female protesters in the Middle East by "religious authorities" simply because women had the nerve to speak up for a better future.

            Any number of men consider those virginity tests normal and the word rape would never cross their minds. But, it is rape.

            As for your time shift framing of the advice... into the future when the daughter would conveniently be of legal age for an older man to screw her straight... that is a slight of hand to remove the criminality inherent in our cultural and legal system. And it still does not absolve the atrocious advice nor resolve the core issues at the heart of this.

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