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  •  Carter was a poor president. He created (1+ / 0-)
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    the hostage crisis by siding with the Shah of Iran during the Iranian revolution and even bringing him to the US after he was deposed. His handling of the economy was so bad that, had the hostage crisis not intervened, he was unlikely to be renominated, let alone reelected. He completely bungled his reelection campaign, enabling a right wing, senile, hambone actor to beat him by smoking him in the single debate Carter allowed to be scheduled--right before the election.

    I agree that Romney's comment was tasteless, especially since Carter just said Romney would make a good president.

    If I knew it was comin', I could pull a jet plane.--Reggie Jackson

    by LongTom on Tue May 01, 2012 at 09:10:58 AM PDT

    •  Different rules (0+ / 0-)

      The Iranians taught us that some parts of the world were not going to follow what the rest thought of as unbreakable rules.  The idea that any government would sanction its people forcing their way on to a Embassy and taking hostages was so out there that no one considered it.  Embassies and their staff were off limits.  Even the Khmer Rouge left the embassies alone when they KNEW western governments were sheltering Cambodians.  

      I have never understood why the rest of the world let the Iranians off for this gross offense.  EVERY Iranian "diplomat" should been PNGed immediately.  governments were blinded by the cold war and the evilness of the Shah and failed to realize that they permanently lowered the bar on acceptable behavior.  No no embassy is safe.  I could give a crap less about the Iranians having a nuke but they should be held accountable for what they did to our embassy.  

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Tue May 01, 2012 at 09:56:23 AM PDT

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      •  It seems doubtful (0+ / 0-)

        you've ever heard of operation AJAX.

        "All war is stupid" - JFK

        by jorogo on Tue May 01, 2012 at 10:26:07 AM PDT

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        •  I know all about it (0+ / 0-)

          but I dont recall the part where we joined the Brits in storming an embassy.

          The Shah was a bad bad bad man and we should have never supported him.  He fits our normal track record of choosing the wrong guy.  Of course the Soviets, Brits, French, etc were not much better but that should not be our standard.  

          we earned scorn for supporting the Shah but that doesnt make it ok to violate one of the oldest "rules" of diplomacy.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Tue May 01, 2012 at 12:29:48 PM PDT

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          •  Of course storming the embassy wasn't "okay," (0+ / 0-)

            but the fact is that the Iranian government was still in a state of flux. The religious fundamentalists hadn't taken over yet. Ghotzbade was the premier, I think. Carter should have been doing everything he could to befriend the democratic, western-oriented elements of the new government, to give it some hand in their power struggle with the imams. Instead, he fanned the anti-American wrath of students and intellectuals, the very people he should have been reaching out to.

            The Soviets, Brits, French etc. didn't overthrow the democratic Mossadegh government and install the phony Shah in the first place. The Soviets, Brits, and French didn't offer the Shah safe haven. Carter completely drop-kicked the entire Iranian crisis from beginning to end. It was his good fortune (and our bad luck) that the initial hostage taking created a temporary unity here that stalled Kennedy's primary campaign. It was impossible for Ted to speak an ill word about Carter in the beginning weeks of the crisis.

            Of course, as Carter's incompetence and futility dragged on, (thanks to the conniving of Reagan with the Iranians), the hostage taking transformed from lucky charm to albatross. Overall, Carter handled the Iranian revolution about as deftly as he handled the economy and the Soviets.

            If I knew it was comin', I could pull a jet plane.--Reggie Jackson

            by LongTom on Tue May 01, 2012 at 02:33:36 PM PDT

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