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  •  my friend lives there and President Obama's approv (1+ / 0-)
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    al rating in January 2009 was under 35% in WV even in Texas his approval rating was higher.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed May 02, 2012 at 05:42:15 AM PDT

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    •  Because of Coal.... (10+ / 0-)

      Whatever your thoughts on coal, it's the entire economy of West Virginia and they have legitimate concerns about Obama administration regulations.  Race is also an issue there, but Obama got the same percentage as John Kerry did in WV four years earlier.  His declining poll numbers are entirely related to the coal issue.

      •  And this is Manchin's rationale (7+ / 0-)

        I would be hard-pressed to think of a state that is more poorly served by its governor and legislature than West Virginia, precisely because of its coal addiction.

        There is no recognition that coal is destroying our state, both physically and politically. There is no recognition that it's a declining "extractive resource." There is no long-term planning for the future of those counties dependent on coal. Instead, our f*cking school systems bring coal companies in to brainwash our children into lockstep support.

        It gets me so sad and angry I could scream!

        West Virginia's new motto: Ex Os, Ex Mens (go look it up)

        by blonde moment on Wed May 02, 2012 at 07:38:07 AM PDT

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    •  I'm sure race is a factor (5+ / 0-)

      But the state had decisively moved away from the Democrats on the presidential level in 2000.  After going for the party in every presidential election from 1960 to 1996 save for 1972 and 1984.  Gore's environmentalism was a factor in 2000.  But Kerry couldn't carry it against Bush II when Dukakis had carried it against Bush I.  So there were other factors at work.

      "We calmly accept our uncertain position." Joey Rathburn.

      by Paleo on Wed May 02, 2012 at 05:50:07 AM PDT

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    •  No other state is so dependent on coal (4+ / 0-)

      Two other states are nearly as resource dependent -- MT and ND. They're both becoming more difficult for Ds as well.

      The effect of racism is trivial, in this case.

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      by tietack on Wed May 02, 2012 at 06:06:35 AM PDT

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      •  True, but (3+ / 0-)
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        f Hillary Clinton were president under the same scenario, you can't tell me should wouldn't have a statistically significant higher approval rating.

        And Democrats had no tradition of winning MT and ND the way they had with WV.

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        by Paleo on Wed May 02, 2012 at 06:14:52 AM PDT

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        •  Reasonable points, but in an alternate history (2+ / 0-)
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          with President Hillary Clinton running for re-election in '12, I think even Romney would still be favored to win WV.

          It's not like Hillary is any less of an environmentalist than President Obama.

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          by tietack on Wed May 02, 2012 at 06:20:40 AM PDT

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        •  I don't know where everyone . . . (8+ / 0-)

          . . . gets this idea that Hillary would've carried WV in '08, or that she'd carry it this year. As several commenters noted upthread, the state has trended away from the Dems at the national level for awhile now, largely due to environmental issues. Hillary's positions on those issues are identical to Obama's. Furthermore, those who look to Bill's success in WV as being indicative of Hillary's hypothetical success are missing a point-- Hillary is not Bill. She does not come off as a down-home southerner the way he does. Her image is unmistakably urban, and northern (the fact that she represented New York, not Arkansas, in the Senate would not have been lost on voters in WV). Just because her name is Clinton does not indicate great power with the general electorate in Appalachia/the South. Sure, she won the Democratic primary in WV-- the key words being "Democratic primary." There were two choices, and the voters were all Democrats; bring in the R's and indies, and the picture would change significantly. I am 99.99999% certain that, had Hillary nabbed the nomination, she would have lost the state to John McCain.

          29, chick, Jewish, solid progressive, NY-14 currently, FL-22 native, went to school in IL-01. Mitt Romney: the Kama Sutra candidate. There's no position he hasn't tried!

          by The Caped Composer on Wed May 02, 2012 at 09:32:18 AM PDT

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    •  But WV has been lost by democrats before... (2+ / 0-)
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      multiple times

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