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  •  indeed. the violence that broke out upon MLK's (4+ / 0-)
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    assassination was staggering in scale, but it had been occurring well before, including Harlem in '64, Detroit in '67, and other cities.

    But the image of peaceful protests was already powerfully made in the minds of many white Americans who witnessed via TV the fire hoses, the attack dogs, and the clubbing of nonviolent protestors. The wave of nonviolent protests had a far greater effect, IMHO, than the fiery destruction. Many urban areas were simply left in their blighted conditions, abandoning many victims in further degradation of their already bad living conditions.

    Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

    by p gorden lippy on Wed May 02, 2012 at 02:54:58 PM PDT

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    •  Unfortunately police violence has deterred (4+ / 0-)

      people from coming out for peaceful protest.  People aren't willing to risk their livelihood and their freedom for this.  Sure, it's easy to blame it on the anarchists breaking windows but the fact of the matter is all the police have to do with peaceful protesters these days is ignore them and the media will ignore them.  We saw it with the antiwar movement in 2002-2003.  Really, I don't see marches and rallies as being very useful these days. Instead people need to be focusing on direct actions like blockading banks or auctions.  We can do this but marching around in the streets and breaking a few windows is weak symbolic action.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Wed May 02, 2012 at 03:00:17 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      You need not look any further than South Central 20 years after the Los Angeles Uprising if you think vandalism will generate the social outcry against injustice. If anything, protestors engaging in violence only wins the police more public sympathy for the police crackdown.

      "To the People (aka the 99%): Our only demand is an invitation: Join Us!" -- Occupy Oakland Demands 10/13/2011

      by mic check oakland on Wed May 02, 2012 at 03:04:07 PM PDT

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      •  After the LA riots the LAPD went through (0+ / 0-)

        a massive period of reform and the people who beat Rodney King were retried in federal court.  Definitely not the best way to go about making those things happen but it wasn't completely useless.  If we're going to encourage non-violent solutions then we need to be honest about violence and not gloss over the fact that it has sometimes been useful in pushing social change.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed May 02, 2012 at 03:10:08 PM PDT

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        •  I'm with you, which is why I've (0+ / 0-)

          supported "diversity of tactics" up to this point. The early organizers didn't act like Gandhi or MLK. Smashing the windows of a McDonalds isn't tactically in the same league IMHO.

          "To the People (aka the 99%): Our only demand is an invitation: Join Us!" -- Occupy Oakland Demands 10/13/2011

          by mic check oakland on Wed May 02, 2012 at 03:27:21 PM PDT

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        •  Are you saying the riots helped???!!! (0+ / 0-)

          50 dead, massive looting, hundreds of businesses torched, race relations blasted back 25 years.

          My god...

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