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  •  Double hearsay? (1+ / 0-)
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    "A reporter said that a pollworker said that Brunstetter said . . . ". Has she admitted to saying this? Are there corroborating witnesses?

    •  I had the same question. I don't doubt it was said (0+ / 0-)

      really, but it would be nice to have it from someone closer to the source of the comments.

      "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization." - United States Supreme Court Associate Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (Republican) -8.12, -5.18

      by ncarolinagirl on Thu May 03, 2012 at 03:52:16 AM PDT

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      •  I would hate for passage and implementation... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...to be the confirmation of this report. I know it's important for us to get it right, valid, vetted, etc. but our opponents are in the propaganda business, and not particularly into fairness and validation.

        It could well have been said, but the "paper trail" hidden until election night when they crow that "as promised...."

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Thu May 03, 2012 at 04:48:44 AM PDT

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        •  The same argument goes the other direction (0+ / 0-)

          You put out this unfounded allegation based on hearsay a few days before the election, and before the truth can be determined, the election's over.

          •  How is it "unfounded" (5+ / 0-)

            If first hand witnesses are going on record by name saying what they heard, and corroborating one another's account, and the Senator's wife can be seen on video tape admitting to using the word "caucasian?"

            It is all information that people have every right to hear and make their own judgement about, IMO.

            It's fine to be skeptical but why? Because you'd be shocked--shocked!--if it was true a white North Carolina Republican senior citizen was spouting racist crap? Stop the presses!

            "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

            by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 08:33:21 AM PDT

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            •  I'm not "skeptical" (0+ / 0-)

              I just think that we should adher to basic standards of truthfulness here at Daily Kos. You may differ, whatever. Your headline is just a lie. We don't know for a fact that she said those words, and we do know for a fact that she denied saying them.

              Just turn the situation around and imagine that you found yourself at the center of a controversy based on something that others have alleged that you've said, and you didn't say it.

              •  Yes, I desperately need your eagle-eye counsel (1+ / 0-)
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                I just think that we should adher to basic standards of truthfulness here at Daily Kos. You may differ, whatever. Your headline is just a lie.
                Since you're not even savvy enough to discern the author of the very same article you're reading.

                (Hint: it's not me.)

                Well done Sherlock Holmes.

                "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

                by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 01:17:23 PM PDT

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    •  The Senator's wife is on video (7+ / 0-)

      and when confronted on using "Caucasian" says, "I probably said that word."

      I am not sure what context that would would come up, if not in the context the poll workers describe.

      You can watch the video for yourself and see what you think.

      "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 06:31:43 AM PDT

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        •  It's in my diary on the same topic (1+ / 0-)
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          yesterday. Think Progress also has it up with a transcript.

          "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 08:35:38 AM PDT

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          •  From the transcript: (0+ / 0-)
            NANCE: You didn’t tell that one lady that it was to preserve the Caucasian race, because they were becoming a minority? That’s what an old lady down the block told us.

            BRUNSTETTER: No, no.

            •  Keep going... (3+ / 0-)
              NANCE: You didn’t say anything about Caucasians?
              BRUNSTETTER: I probably said the word.
              NANCE: In reference to….? You didn’t tell her anything about Caucasians? …
              I get it.

              Because obviously Brunstetter couldn't possibly be lying here:

              BRUNSTETTER: No, no.
              Of course we all know, no one would ever lie about having said something racist when confronted by a black man with a videocamera. Of course she would have confess on camera and apologized if she had actually said it.

              The only possible conclusion is Brunstetter is just being unfairly bullied by multiple Amendment One opponents who are themselves liars and conspiring to fabricate a story about what they say they heard Brunstetter say.

              Or maybe she just used "caucasian" in a non-racial way. You know, like one says, "I'm more of a fan of caucasian chocolate, than dark."

              "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

              by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 10:08:57 AM PDT

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              •  Admitting using the word "Caucasian" and (0+ / 0-)

                saying that the purpose of Amendment One is to maintain white demographic supremacy are quite a distance from each other.

                •  It seems clear in the video (0+ / 0-)

                  she is at least one sandwich short of a picnic.

                  I guess witnesses are lying.FYI:

                  But Maloy, a freelance writer and editor in Winston-Salem, stood by her account of Jodie Brunstetter saying that the white race is in decline, that whites founded the country and that the country should be preserved as the founders intended.
                  I really don't find it so hard to imagine a homophobic, Republican senior citizen in the South would say something racist.

                  I understand your mileage varies. Since neither of us were there, I guess we'll never settle it.

                  "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

                  by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 01:13:51 PM PDT

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    •  There's video. (4+ / 0-)

      "A time comes when silence is betrayal." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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      by Scottie Thomaston on Thu May 03, 2012 at 07:31:34 AM PDT

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    •  Not double. (2+ / 0-)
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      Think Progress has a new post up with witnesses that heard the comments first hand.

      You can choose to believe their account or not.

      That white supremacy thoughts still exist in North Carolina does not strike me as so very unbelievable, given what we have seen the Tea Party say and do these last few years, but YMMV.

      "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."—Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Scott Wooledge on Thu May 03, 2012 at 08:26:25 AM PDT

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      •  Or I can choose to believe the person who (0+ / 0-)

        allegedly said it, denying that they said it:

        NANCE: You didn’t tell that one lady that it was to preserve the Caucasian race, because they were becoming a minority? That’s what an old lady down the block told us.

        BRUNSTETTER: No, no.

        •  Yes, because self-serving denials . . . (2+ / 0-)

          are so terribly credible.  

          Video, witnesses, and the speaker's own admission that she used the word "Caucasian."  Really, this isn't a particularly close case, unless you won't be satisfied by anything less than an outright confession from Brunstetter herself.

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Thu May 03, 2012 at 10:50:45 AM PDT

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        •  You seem determined (1+ / 0-)
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          on this for some reason even with video evidence and on the ground reporting from witnesses.

          "A time comes when silence is betrayal." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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          by Scottie Thomaston on Thu May 03, 2012 at 11:01:48 AM PDT

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          •  No, I don't know whether she said it or not (0+ / 0-)

            and neither do you. But the title to diary has her statement in quotation marks. I don't know of any journalistic context where direct quotation marks doesn't mean a statement made in public to the press, not denied by the maker of the statement.

            •  Uh (0+ / 0-)

              "and neither do you"?

              Witnesses are reporting it. If you don't believe video, witnesses or reporting I don't know what to tell you. It is not all a conspiracy by poll workers, the media, the NAACP, the maker of video cameras, the legislator's wife's vocal cords, blogs and observers.

              "A time comes when silence is betrayal." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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              by Scottie Thomaston on Thu May 03, 2012 at 02:00:33 PM PDT

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              •  There's no video or audio of her saying that (0+ / 0-)

                and she denies it. I'd be willing to bet that in every newsroom in the country, that's enough to take a statement out of quotation marks.

                •  I am not sure (1+ / 0-)
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                  why you are determined on this. There is video of her admitting she said it.

                  You're actually saying that because there is no video of the exchange it didn't happen, despite everyone who saw it happen telling us that it happened?

                  "A time comes when silence is betrayal." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
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                  by Scottie Thomaston on Thu May 03, 2012 at 02:06:15 PM PDT

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