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  •  Permit or no - the result? (0+ / 0-)

    And what if Mr Kalonji had a conceal-carry permit and was armed on the day he and his wife went to change the locks on his new home?

    What then?

    Regardless of whether he had a permit or not, had Mr Kalonji been armed the day he went to change the locks on his new house, someone would have gotten shot.

    I'm of the opinion that someone getting shot is a bad thing.  I have that liberal and silly notion.

    Or maybe it's because I don't own a gun manufacturer plant or business.  Because if I did, I would have a much more positive view of someone getting shot.  For the gun industry, every time someone gets shot, that's a profit being made.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu May 03, 2012 at 11:04:06 AM PDT

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    •  The result - a homeowner has the opportunity (6+ / 0-)

      to protect himself and his family from armed intruders with established violent intent.

      The vast majority of defensive gun uses occur without a shot fired.

      But then, I'm a real liberal - not a left authoritarian - and I trust my fellow citizens to do the right thing and exercise their rights responsibly, until adjudicated in a due process court to be unfit.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Thu May 03, 2012 at 11:10:01 AM PDT

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      •  No gaurantees when the shooting starts (1+ / 0-)
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        I point out that had he been armed, Mr. Kalonji would have been facing TWO men both armed with semi-automatic weapons.  Do you think the Canoles would have lowered their weapons when drawn apon by a black man they assume is an intruder?  Or do you think the Canoles would have opened fire?

        Even though he is the rightful home-owner, there is no gaurantees that Mr. Kalonji would walk away from such an encounter.

        This is not the case of a law enforcement officer drawing his weapon on a fleeing unarmed suspect (the majority of documented defensive uses of a weapon).

        And this is not the case where more weapons means greater safety or protection.  Indeed, more weapons in this case probably means someone gets shot.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu May 03, 2012 at 11:35:48 AM PDT

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    •  You seem to be claiming only a single possible.... (1+ / 0-)
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      scenario.  Which is utterly impossible to prove.

      Or is your precognition better than mine?

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