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  •  Yeah, because there's nothing authoritarian . . . (0+ / 0-)

    about getting your way through force of arms.

    LOL!

    "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

    by FogCityJohn on Thu May 03, 2012 at 01:00:19 PM PDT

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    •  And you'll find that the term RKBA advocates (6+ / 0-)

      use for people who use force to get their way is: felons.

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with law-abiding citizens who maintain defensive arms, as protected under the US Constitution.

      Authoritarians believe the average person has the mental state of a child, monster, or lunatic, and must be kept under a tight rein by the state for his and others' protection. This has nothing to with the liberal tradition - indeed, this belief system hates the common man, rather than venerates him.

      The diarist showed his hatred of his fellow citizen with the IQ comment.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Thu May 03, 2012 at 01:30:14 PM PDT

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      •  Authoritarians believe lots of things. (0+ / 0-)

        Like this, for example:

        枪杆子里面出政权
        Every Communist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

        [Mao Zedong, The Little Red Book, Chapter 5 (1964)]

        "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

        by FogCityJohn on Thu May 03, 2012 at 03:06:48 PM PDT

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        •  Interesting choice of heroes there (2+ / 0-)
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          theatre goon, KVoimakas

          See, I could counter with several dozen quotes from the civil libertarians who framed our Constitution and Bill of Rights about the importance of an armed citizenry to liberty.

          And there lies the difference - authoritarians, including gun-control advocates, see the gun not only as a means for concentrating power, but they demand that they be restricted to agents of the state or party. The notion of armed citizens not under the strict hierarchy of state or party is an anathema to authoritarians of any country or era.

          The civil libertarians that founded this country recognized the need to disperse power; and the 2nd was written, in no small part, to keep armaments from being exclusively the purview of the parentalist state.

          But ignorant of our tradition of liberty, and operating from a position of fear and contempt of the citizenry (half of them have a below average IQ!) gun-control authoritarians throw their lot in with Mao and want to concentrate that power in the agents of the state, who have shown a penchant for using them for adventurism and atrocities abroad, and police terror at home.

          Congratulations - your choice of quotes made my point quite excellently.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Thu May 03, 2012 at 05:52:58 PM PDT

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          •  You're funny. (0+ / 0-)

            See, I'm not the one who feels the need to own a gun.  You are.  So it's kind of strange that you'd put me in Mao's camp, because if I agreed with him, it would stand to reason that I'd be rushing out to buy the thing he says is the source of power.  

            As for the supposed history of the Second Amendment, it was exhaustively chronicled in Justice Stevens' dissent in the Heller case.  When one looks at it honestly (i.e., in a manner unlike that of the Heller majority), one sees that it has to do with the concern that the federal government might dominate the states.  The idea that it has something to do with some kind of individual right of self-defense is entirely unsupported by that history.  Of course, one can always claim one is construing a living constitution, but that's not the claim you're making.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Thu May 03, 2012 at 06:51:21 PM PDT

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