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  •  A parent's perspective- Medical Marijuana is too (1+ / 0-)
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    available. If you found that your teenager was being given medical marijuana, powerful stuff, by one of her classmates whose irresponsible parent (a medical provider) has obtained it and let her have it in large amounts, would you say "ho hum, it should be legal anyhow?"

    I don't say that and that is one of the two crucial problems with MM, the other being big growers who claim to be MM providers and who sell in large quantities to anyone, again including teenagers.

    If you think it's utterly harmless to teens, you're wrong. Their brains aren't fully mature and they should not be taking a drug that's way more powerful than the "weed" of the 1960's and 70's.

    And this is happening, in my kid's high school, so this is not a remote possibility I'm just making up.

    All that said, Obama's going after MM providers in a really ham-handed way as if it were all going to be sold to high-schoolers, totally ignoring the real need of tens of thousands at least of those suffering from real serious diseases.

    I do not understand the commentators who are indignant about the "photo of Obama and words attributed to him that he did not say". Heaven help us, did you read no Comix back in the day? Has it come to this, that satire must be explained and defended every time it gets a little pointed? A veritable sign of the end times, I aver.

    •  Same as with many other things in life, you must (9+ / 0-)

      talk to your kids about drugs and alcohol and sex and...

      This is nothing new.

    •  The "way more powerful" (7+ / 0-)

      meme is yet another invention of the Drug Warriors to demonize a benign substance. Marijuana is the least toxic therapeutically active substance known to man. It is also far less harmful than any legally approved recreational drug. There is no reputable research that has found any deleterious effect on the brain.

      Teenagers should be in school, not sitting around smoking weed, or drinking beer, but it's not going to turn anyone's brain to jello either.

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:29:10 PM PDT

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      •  Tell any old dude that and they scoff at you. (4+ / 0-)

        I have been rebuffed numerous times when I talk about weed being so much better now.....

        I still think it is sometimes, particularly medical stuff.

        But that's totally beside the point of kids getting it by surreptitious means.

        Safer than them smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol though....

        The short answer for parents is

        (A) do not freak out
        (B) punish the shit out of you kids. Something that really inconveniences them for an undetermined amount of time (Don't beat them or anything physical - that won't work)

        #occupywallstreet: Although I know the rhythm you'd prefer me dancing to, I'll turn my revolt into style.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:42:00 PM PDT

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        •  I think the (1+ / 0-)
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          deal is that quality is more consistent now--most of the weed out there is pretty good stuff. Back in the day, there was a greater variation. There was Mexican that smelled like dirt and was worth the $12 per ounce, but just barely. But we also had red and gold Colombian and Panama Red, Thai sticks, great hash... The best weed back then was definitely the equal of today's "medical" pot.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Fri May 04, 2012 at 05:25:47 PM PDT

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    •  Many prescription drugs are far more (5+ / 0-)

      dangerous than marijuana, and some of them can be used as recreational drugs.

      Yet you only express concern about marijuana.

      Why is that?

      [Also: You can get whiskey in the store, and even your kids can buy coffee. Does this concern you?]

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      by VictorLaszlo on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:34:05 PM PDT

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    •  I don;t know of anybody who's down with (7+ / 0-)

      teens having weed.

      One MAJOR point of regulating it is to curtail teen access to it.

      However, people and teens just as often get illicit xanax and other rx drugs - you can't blame that on the marijuana or on legalization/regulation.

      teens still get beer and tobacco: the other big thing regulation would do is decrease the 'glamour' effect. "Dude, I can so hook you up" isn't so cool when you can buy it at publix.

      #occupywallstreet: Although I know the rhythm you'd prefer me dancing to, I'll turn my revolt into style.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Fri May 04, 2012 at 04:38:17 PM PDT

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      •  i have children clients (2+ / 0-)
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        who describe their parents "crushing pills and snorting them up their nose with a straw"; in fact, one lovely child, about five years old, was showing how to do it to another child in the foster home

        those drugs, like oxycontin, or somesuch painkiller, are supposed to be used once a day as they have a time release component, i'm told

        how do they get an m.d. to keep prescribing them?

      •  I personally would rather teens experiment (0+ / 0-)

        with cannabis than with tobacco or alcohol. Cannabis is far safer for the teen and everyone around them. When I was younger I used cannabis to help me concentrate on my studies. I found that eating a little of my homegrown bud in my breakfast helped me get better grades. Before I began this routine I was a slightly below average student and afterwards I made the Dean's List every term.

        Cannabis has been proven to be effective for learning disabilities and helps relieve testing anxiety. If I had a child with ADD I would rather give them cannabis than the dangerous and addictive amphetamines now currently prescribed to our children. Like the driving under the influence arguments, the save the children arguments against ending the prohibitions against cannabis are way overblown.

        Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

        by RMForbes on Fri May 04, 2012 at 08:11:54 PM PDT

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    •  So you are saying that Pot Smoking in High School (1+ / 0-)
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      is a fairly recent phenomenon?

    •  If your child is being given MJ (0+ / 0-)

      by a medical provider's child who is supplying it to classmates in large quantities, and this kind of thing is going on all over your child's high school even though both the substance and the activity are illegal, what in your opinion would change if the plant were legalized?  Doesn't sound like it could be much easier to get.

      This sounds like a problem that cries out for persistent parental intervention.  Only you can arm your child with the information and good judgment necessary for him to be able to keep himself safe from all the hazards that face him now and those he will face in the future.  Pot is likely to be one of the least dangerous hazards he will encounter.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat May 05, 2012 at 10:53:31 PM PDT

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