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  •  when it comes to the national security state (31+ / 0-)

    the Dems and Repugs are as one. The neocons are the winners---their entire agenda is now completely bipartisan.

    We do ourselves an enormous dis-service when we sweep all that under the carpet just because now it's the blue team doing it instead of the red team.

    And it will be the height of self-serving hypocrisy if we (assuming the very unlikely event of a President Romney) criticize Romney after the election for things that our side is doing right now without a peep of protest from us.

    •  If A Friend Can't Accept Criticism (12+ / 0-)

      Then he doesn't want a friend, he wants a sycophant.

      This head movie makes my eyes rain.

      by The Lone Apple on Mon May 07, 2012 at 07:21:18 AM PDT

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      •  Criticism, yes. Bull shit, no. (0+ / 0-)

        A friend does not have to accept bull shit that is masquarading as criticism.

        Use credible sources and data to prove your claims. And no, there are no evidence proving Barack Obama as the same as the neocons.

        None. Zip. Zero.

        "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

        by zenox on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:42:36 AM PDT

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        •  Wyden and Udall not "credible"? (14+ / 0-)

          See my response below.

          Tom Tomorrow's most recent book is TOO MUCH CRAZY from Soft Skull Press.

          by Tom Tomorrow on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:49:51 AM PDT

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          •  I would rather try to answer the question (1+ / 0-)
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            ...of how hard the "neocons" have been trying to unseat Obama.

            I have lived in this country all throughout the last decade and since Jan 20, 2009. I know what is going on.

            Yeah. If he was like them, then why would they hate him so much?

            Any answers?

            "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

            by zenox on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:57:58 AM PDT

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            •  Because Obama's Not a Republican (2+ / 0-)
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              The neocon's home party is the GOP and Obama isn't in their party. It's a simple as that. I think the better way to look at it is to see what political attacks the neocons/republicans use on Obama. Are they attacking his use of drones? Are the attacking his administration's use of the Patriot Act? It's what the neocons/republicans don't say to attack him that's more telling. Neither party wants a debate on the issues Tom's cartoon raises because they don't want to public to know that they collude.

              "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

              by Aspe4 on Mon May 07, 2012 at 10:53:05 AM PDT

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            •  methinks you misunderstand what a "neocon" is (4+ / 0-)

              To quote from one of my own diary series:

              The Neocons

              To understand the corporate history of the George W Bush years, it is important to understand the neocons and their agenda. Many progressives have unfortunately attributed positions and agendas to the neocons which they did not in fact have. The neocons are often conflated with the fundamentalist culture warriors of the Religious Right, who quite literally wanted a theocratic state that would rule according to fundamentalist Christian ideology. In reality, although the neocons formed a political marriage of convenience with the fundamentalists and paid them some lip service, they always thought that the Religious Right ayatollah-wanna-be’s were nutty and anti-democratic, and one of the first actions carried out by the neocons when they finally assumed dominant power in the George W Bush administration was to remove the fundamentalists, including the most visible of the culture warriors, Attorney General John Ashcroft (who famously covered up the bare-breasted statue of Justice in his building because it was ungodly).

              Progressives also tend to mistakenly attribute an actively pro-corporate agenda to the neocons; in reality, none of the neocons were corporate officers (unlike the political leadership in both the Republican and Democratic Parties who set up the WTO structure in the first place), and they had no interest in representing or defending corporate interests—indeed, the intensely nationalistic neocon agenda of unilateral American hegemony was diametrically opposed to the interests of the supra-national corporations, who were now active all over the world and no longer had any “American interests” to defend. The neocon agenda focused almost entirely on military and foreign policy; in their writings, the words “free trade”, “World Trade Organization”, “World Bank” or “free market” barely appear at all—and when they do, it is only to discuss their utility as instruments of American military and political power.

              It is also incorrect to identify the neocons with the Republican Party—most of them began their political careers as Democrats.

    •  Actually, no. (0+ / 0-)

      Repugs talk big, do nothing. Dems, so far, under the leadership of Barack Obama, are doing a good job keeping the nation secure. Republicans did not.

      And saying the Obama admin is "neocon" is lunacy. Why do they hate him so much then?


      I mean if Obama was doing the neocons' bidding, do you think the Koch bros would be spending so many millions to unseat him?


      "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

      by zenox on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:39:53 AM PDT

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