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  •  I find myself wishing (13+ / 0-)

    I could cut the guy a little slack, being a former soldier myself I know that a soldier sees his duty as being faithful to his chain of command.

    But the problem is, he was NOT a soldier at the time. He was a civilian, he was the Secretary of State. But he was performing the role as if he were still a general. And therein lay the problem, career military people ought not be appointed to cabinet positions. These should always be held by civilians who understand their duty and first loyalty is to the country, not their commander in chief.

    "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government" -Thomas Jefferson

    by Phil In Denver on Fri May 04, 2012 at 03:38:49 PM PDT

    •  Shameful was the UN performance....He knows it... (4+ / 0-)

      everybody else does too.

    •  The President is NOT our commander in chief... (11+ / 0-)

      ...except for those of us on active service. That's a core problem right there. These days, even the civilians in the Washington establishment get confused about that.

      •  it's a myth the republican party chooses (2+ / 0-)
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        to perpetuate.  bachman was particularly strident in her calling the President our commander in chief (usually to denigrate Mr. Obama) as was perry.  I'm sure cain did too, since he had no clue about the nature of the American government.

        fox news was also big on using that terminology during the last administration.  It's in their authoritarian nature to do that.  Haven't seen it so far in the way they treat rmoney, but I'm sure they'll try it. Might be harder with him because the man has absolutely no swagger, the way bush and mccain were.  

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Fri May 04, 2012 at 07:44:55 PM PDT

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    •  Really? The Nuremberg defense? (4+ / 0-)
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      Even as a soldier, you are obligated to integrity. Being faithful to the chain of command does not require an officer to knowingly trumpet false information in order to facilitate an illegal war.

      "I was just following orders" has not been a sufficient defense since Nuremberg.

      Just sayin.

      •  Thank you.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Our educational system has failed us because kids in grade school and high school have not learned that simple little factoid from the Judgment at Nuremberg:  "I was only following orders" is NOT a valid defense for committing war crimes.  [For all I know, with the current accent on participation in sports in high school instead of 'book learning,' perhaps no one teaches lessons from history any longer.  I know Civics is no longer taught in high school.]

        Under the military code, a soldier may refuse to follow an illegal or immoral order.  Someone in a book I read about WWII some 40+ years ago (when I was reading quite a lot about WWII history) even said it was a soldier's "obligation, duty even, to refuse to follow an illegal or immoral order."  [I wish I could remember which book/author.  Sorry, but I don't.]

        Our modern military has forgotten that in the glory of following the CiC's orders to fight in an unconstitutional and illegal war, and people run around thanking them for serving (while conveniently forgetting that not one of them was serving in Iraq or Afghanistan "to protect our freedoms."  Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq was/is a threat to "our freedoms."

        What they're forgetting is that following Dumbya's and Dickie's orders also makes them accessories to their CiC's lies and war crimes.  No one wants to talk about that, however, because everyone's too busy touting heroism of the military.  Some are heroes....  Just not those who blindly follow orders without questioning their leaders.

        They could have stopped the Afghan and Iraq invasions by refusing to follow an illegal and immoral order..., just as Lt. Ehren Watada did.  Watada volunteered to serve anywhere else..., but he refused to serve in Iraq on the grounds that the invasion was a war crime and he did not wish to participate in a war crime.

        It was an interesting case and Watada was correct in his actions.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat May 05, 2012 at 12:07:03 AM PDT

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