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  •  so, when the colonists overthrew the British (1+ / 0-)
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    Government, were there people around like you saying, "but who will dispose of the garbage?"

    Anarchism is not about lack of governance. It is about participatory governance and governance via consent.

    People may take on roles, but they would do it with the consent of others and with full knowledge that the role could be taken away from them if people find they are not serving the common good.

    It is a specious argument to be claiming that no one would take out the trash. Humans have always figured out how to deal with the practical. Collective tribal societies did not leave behind a trash-strewn world.

    In fact, it could be argued that in our current system, we are not dealing with out trash. We are letting our government hide it out of our site, but it is piling up in enormous quantities and we are refusing to deal with. Perhaps, if it piled up closer to home, we'd stop generating so much and would find creative ways to minimize how much ever gets generated.

    If your biggest worry is whether your trash will get stashed out of site so that you don't have to think about it, you have one lucky life. That you think trash is more important that the inhumanity of ruling via force is simply tragic.

    •  In theory (3+ / 0-)
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      That's how it is supposed to work now

      People may take on roles, but they would do it with the consent of others and with full knowledge that the role could be taken away from them if people find they are not serving the common good.
      from the trash collector to the Senator.
      People are chosen to collect the trash, but their contract can be terminated; people are chosen to manage the land-fill, but they can be removed. As a group, citizens can choose to have a larger or smaller police deparment, public pools or not, etc. "We" decided at some point that it would be helpful to have an army to protect us from violenct intrusion. The devil is in the details of implementation. One of which is the accretion, for various reasons, of rules on top of the rules.

      from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

      by Catte Nappe on Sun May 27, 2012 at 02:28:34 PM PDT

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      •  the problem with what we have now is, as you (1+ / 0-)
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        say the accretion of rules upon rules.

        And our willingness to acquiesce power. That we sit by while our government makes more and more draconian laws, that we have allowed elections to be ruled by money, and therefore our government and control of our military is controlled by those with the most money, means that we long ago ceded our power to "representatives".

        It is not enough to say "you have a vote" when the elections are bought. Or when the choices are limited to such similar options that you're still stuck with oppression.

        Why exactly, do we all sit around while our government directs drones to kill people extra-judiciously? Because we have ceded our authority.

        Five people are sitting in solitary confinement this week with trumped up terrorism charges. What began as a federal investigation was somehow abandoned by the feds, but the local police went ahead and stormed a building - without being ready to prove probably cause - and took them by force - while terrorizing other people in the building, too - and they have not been given access to their lawyers. We have allowed our government to create this extra-judicial space of "indefinite detention" and our own citizens are being tortured and terrorized by our own government. Well, not my own. It is the government of the 1%. Still, as those very young men are being driven insane in hospital white rooms with zero stimulation or human contact, we all just sit here.

        That is the result of our current system, wherein we cede our personal responsibility for everything from inhuman atrocities to the destruction of the planet.

        But, hey, anarchism is probably impractical, so didn't give it a second thought. (not directed at you Catte.)

        •  I agree with what you said (1+ / 0-)
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          But no one here has any practical answer for how anarchy prevents or corrects any of those things.

          Every single thing you listed that's wrong with this world happened because some people are greedy or power hungry, and other people are lazy.

          No one here addresses how an anarchy deals with the inherently greedy or the inherently lazy. No one.

          P.S. I am not a crackpot.

          by BoiseBlue on Sun May 27, 2012 at 03:07:37 PM PDT

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        •  Ceding the power of our voices (0+ / 0-)

          That is the key. The system we have now is ingeniously designed, and has every opportunity to be successful - IF we collectively and fully participated. Of course we don't. Many do not participate, whether by taking the time and effort to be informed, or involved in dialogue, or even showing up to vote. Changing the system does not overcome those flaws.

          As to the accretion of rules upon rules;I once had a unique and fascinating and informative opportunity to see that in action.  A new environment, new leadership, new participants - great opportunity to shed those layers of rules. It was a great vision. And this went wrong, and that didn't work, and these were disturbed, and those problems occured, and slowly (but not teribly slowly) those rigid rules re-emerged.

          from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

          by Catte Nappe on Sun May 27, 2012 at 05:04:18 PM PDT

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    •  They had this evil thing called government. (0+ / 0-)

      And another evil thing called market.

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