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  •  Can't say it really bothers me (1+ / 0-)
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    Sure the idea that both parties are trying to stop people from voting isn't really true.

    But the false equivalence is within the context of an ad promoting an explicitly Democratic message (voter ID laws are bad), on a network that overwhelmingly represents the views of the Democratic party.

    I would be more bothered if a truly objective news source like NPR or the New York Times (or one that strives towards objectivity like CNN) made that kind of false equivalence.

    •  You're not bothered when people lie? And (8+ / 0-)

      the reason it's a "Democratic message" is that the entire purpose of the voter suppression laws is to reduce Democratic turnout.

      Acid test:  How many states controlled by Democrats are passing these laws?  None.

      The Republicans, the right wing nuts, the Koch brothers and all those people are trying to stop people from exercising their most basic right - a right enshrined in the Constitution.  These people probably won't be happy until they've whittled the right to vote down to white male Protestants over 40.  

      The Democrats want to make it easier for more citizens to exercise that right.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:53:36 PM PDT

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      •  Well aware of the facts surrounding voter ID (0+ / 0-)

        Just saying there are better, and more egregious targets out there than MSNBC, which has pretty much hitched its fortunes to those of the mainstream Dem Party.

        Considering that this particular set of promos are pretty much all promoting liberal ideals makes the criticism a little muddled IMO.

        Yes, the way she phrased it was misleading/inaccurate - but it was a small hat tip to "journalistic fairness" within the context of a set of ads promoting Dem causes.

        •  Nope, sorry. (0+ / 0-)

          Telling lies, falsely representing the facts, encouraging false equivalencies, whatever you want to call it, is NOT a "hat tip to journalistic fairness."  It's a fib. Period.  And it doesn't matter what context the fib is told in, it's still a fib.

          Democrats are NOT responsible for this tide of voter ID laws designed to disenfranchise the elderly and the poor.  Republicans are responsible for these laws.  Period.  Some of those laws demand citizens pay for a state ID to vote, that's a poll tax, and it's illegal.  Which is one of the reasons there have been judicial injunctions against the law, such as in Wisconsin.

          The other lie the media supports by not talking about it is that Voter Fraud is a problem that merits these laws.  It isn't. These are very distressing turns of event in this country, and America deserves to know which party is responsible in plain language.  And THAT would be more than a hat tip to real journalism.

    •  I'm not seeing it. (4+ / 0-)
      But the false equivalence is within the context of an ad promoting an explicitly Democratic message (voter ID laws are bad), on a network that overwhelmingly represents the views of the Democratic party.
      But I think Bernie Sanders should be cloned 534 times.
    •  Sorry, but that doesn't fly (7+ / 0-)

      It's only a 'Democratic message' because too many people are  cowed by the GOP and their propaganda machine to just tell the truth.  Voter ID laws are an attempt by one party to suppress the votes of people who are likely to vote for the other party.  Not saying that isn't

      truly objective

      Sometimes silence is a lie.  The GOP gets

      truly objective news sources
      to lie all the time in this way which is one of the biggest problems we have in this country because it's what allows the biggest crooks and liars to operate in plain sight and rise to the top, over and over.  Without it, we wouldn't have had the Iraq War or President George W Bush in the first place along with countless other outrages.  

      Your comment, while I believe was completely innocent, is a perfect example of how and why they've been accomplishing this travesty for so many years now.  

      When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

      by Sun dog on Mon May 07, 2012 at 08:58:19 PM PDT

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      •  I just think there are better examples (0+ / 0-)

        of "fake centrism" out there, which are far more destructive.

        Personally, I get angry when I hear pundits continually bring up tax reform and Medicare privatization as policies that Washington needs to pursue, while never acknowledging truly liberal ideas.

        I don't think there was any malicious intent with this particular promo spot - just a clumsy attempt to "fairness and balance" WITHIN the context of an ad promoting a cause and viewpoint that is in sync with the Dem party.

        •  There might just be better examples (1+ / 0-)
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          THIS one is the one we're talking about here.

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Tue May 08, 2012 at 06:49:39 AM PDT

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        •  "fairness and balance," (0+ / 0-)

          is NOT the job of the journalist when it comes to FACTS.  Facts come first.  Much is opinion and can't be called out.  But in this case, the FACT is that it isn't "political parties" who are responsible for the voter ID laws, it's republicans, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.  

          If a republican says the world is flat, does that get "the fair and balanced" treatment?  Or does it get called out for the idiocy it is?  The Andrea Mitchell example here, and many others, are no less dramatic.

    •  When did NPR become ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... an "objective" news source? You must have nmissed the 10-minute fluffer they did this weekend for the libertarians.


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