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  •  My sentiments exactly. (11+ / 0-)

    "No, I'm being judged against the ideal. Joe Biden has a saying: 'Don't judge me against the Almighty, judge me against the alternative." --President Barack Obama, 12/11/11

    by smoothnmellow on Tue May 08, 2012 at 07:24:05 PM PDT

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    •  So it was Saudi intelligence who deserve credit (4+ / 0-)
      •  The Saudis (5+ / 0-)

        My father's reply when someone says the Saudis aren't our enemy:  "They sure as hell arem't our friends."

        Are you sure the final nail in the coffin of our democracy didn't happen with the Bush Bank bailout? Maybe Obama's had a bit more on his plate than you realize. Sooo...why didn't YOU vote in 2010?

        by etlingjm on Tue May 08, 2012 at 09:10:54 PM PDT

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        •  Price of rice has increased in china (0+ / 0-)
          •  Here's two real answers for you (11+ / 0-)

            (1) The Obama Administration is better at managing international affairs in general, and relationships with foreign governments in the Arab world in particular.  During the Bush Administration, the Saudis would have been less likely to spend their time and money concentrating on people who wanted to blow us up, and more time concentrating on those wanting to blow them up.  Now it is true that those categories overlap - but the Saudis did little to help the Bush Administration track down the bombers of the USS Cole.

            (2)  This has more the flavor of a smart collaboration than the Bush Administration.  I don't recall these sorts of intelligence coups then, because the intelligence emphasis was more on knuckle-dragging thugs who fantasized about killing so that "flies will walk across their eyeballs".

            “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

            by ivorybill on Tue May 08, 2012 at 09:56:19 PM PDT

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            •  When you approach everything with a (9+ / 0-)

              "You're either with us or you're against us " mindset, you eliminate the nuanced options of, the "not quite either" option that can be very useful. The Saudis have their own priorities and goals. These can overlap with ours and we can be useful to each other, and we can even be guardedly trusting of each other. But the Bush Admin required a sort of black and white good/evil fealty. And they put everyone on one side of the of the good/evil dividing line or the other.

              I certainly would not work with, much less trust my fate to simple-minded thinkers like that. I'm not surprised the Saudis preferred to do their own thing either. What a waste of years, manhours, resources and lives though...

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Tue May 08, 2012 at 10:35:38 PM PDT

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              •  ? Bush family has long been in bed w/ Saudis (5+ / 0-)

                There's little nuanced in the USA's throwing its lot in with KSA for the past 60 years. For a conspiratorial take on the Bush-Saud connection, see here: http://www.hermes-press.com/... .
                saudi arabia oil prince kiss george w bush

                I'm glad this network was taken down. Major kudos go to all involved. (I'm surprised they leaked the story -- tipping off AQAP and making it harder to get away with a similar infiltration again.)

                My guess this has a lot to do with internal Saudi politics. E.g., Saudi Arabia's Deputy Minister of the Interior, Mohammed bin Nayef, a royal family member, counterterrorism chief and in charge of Saudi's "terrorist rehabilitation program." Nayef was none too happy when Abdullah al-Asiri (brother of AQAP's mastermind bomber in this recent case, Ibrahim al-Asiri) pretended to repent, met with Nayef, and tried to kill him with a suicide bomb stuffed up his @$$.

                I agree with etlingjm and his father: "They sure as hell aren't our friends." The Saudis will 'fight terrorism' only so far as that preserves the power of the royal family. But will KSA stop funding mosques and madrasas worldwide, which indoctrinate followers with Salafi ideology, thereby stochastically stoking the fires of Islamist extremists? Not so much.

        •  your father (0+ / 0-)

          is a smart man, IMHO. :-)

      •  Semi-boneless ham (2+ / 0-)
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        This reminds me of the George Carlin routine "Some Words":

        It’s like, "semi-boneless ham". I've seen it advertised. "Semi-boneless ham". Now, semi-bone, hold on here. Does it have a bone? It has a bone. And it's a bone! Ain't no semi-bone! A bone is like a crumb. You don't think much of a crumb, but think about it. You break a crumb in half, you don't have two half-a-crumbs. You got two crumbs, man!
        You  share credit, and both sides have credit. They don't get semi-credit.

        Obama's foreign policy is based on multilateralism, and cooperating where it's in our best interest, even though we might not like the people we're cooperating with. Obviously that can be taken too far, but it's more sensible than "you're with us or against us," because nobody is ever going to be entirely "with us".

        I've lost my faith in nihilism

        by grumpynerd on Wed May 09, 2012 at 04:32:55 AM PDT

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