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  •  Awesome... The GOP doesn't want to campaign on... (13+ / 0-)

    this wedge issue this time around.  However, they are going to have to pander to their base with the promises of amending the constitution.  Meanwhile, POTUS can keep on focusing on the economy.  Boehner knows this and needs some time to figure out if they can dance around it.

    I'll need some room for this...

    by duckhunter on Wed May 09, 2012 at 02:46:11 PM PDT

    •  They'll let the SuperPACs do that work. (8+ / 0-)

      SuperPACS do all their dirty work now.  

      •  so the super pacs can pander to the people who.... (11+ / 0-)

        were unlikely to vote for obama anyway just to reassure them of r-money's shared hatred of gays.  i'm fine with obama making them preach to their choir just to hold onto them.

        I'll need some room for this...

        by duckhunter on Wed May 09, 2012 at 02:58:34 PM PDT

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        •  Superpacs Are for Discouraging Dem Voters (2+ / 0-)
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          Such as by trying to divide blacks vs gays over gay rights.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Wed May 09, 2012 at 03:37:56 PM PDT

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          •  Blacks vs Gays (1+ / 0-)
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            Frankly, the MAIN reason that the NC amendment 1 passed is because African Americans voted en masse to restrict the HUMAN/CIVIL rights of LGBT persons.

             As a gay man, I have to say this.  The Black community has a lot of nerve trying to restrict the HUMAN/CIVIL rights of LGBT Americans.

            It happened in California as well with Prop 8.

            FACTS ARE FACTS.  Sorry for the big dose of reality.

            •  That may have been true (2+ / 0-)
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              as late as a couple of weeks ago in NC. HOWEVER ... the NAACP and non-knuckledragging black clergy there did a highly impressive job dealing with the wede angle; I believe in the last few days the statewide NO vote polling was higher for AA voters.

            •  Not a constructive argument (0+ / 0-)

              First of all, polls show that black people aren't disproportionately opposed to marriage equality -- there's about a 50/50 split.  This just differs from the 90/10 split in party affiliation; i.e., a lot of black Democrats don't support marriage equality.  You can't expect one group of our coalition to vote in lockstep.  Blame rural white conservatives who provide the real voting base and impetus for these horrible anti-equality ballot initiatives.

              Secondly, for obvious historical reasons, most black people are really sensitive about tying the fight for marriage equality to the black civil rights movement.  And I think the sensitivity is justified, because there are degrees of discrimination and oppression, and the historical black experience in America is indisputably worse than the current gay experience in America, even if there are some parallels.  Trying to shame black people by calling them hypocrites has uncomfortable racial connotations and has not proven constructive or persuasive.  It just divides our coalition.

              Thirdly, the real issue here is that minority civil rights should not be put up for a vote by the majority.  I'm sure that most people would vote in favor of a ban on left-handed scissors, but I would not shame them for their vote; rather, such an initiative should never be placed before the voters, because the majority will generally tend to side against a minority, even (especially?) if it doesn't otherwise personally inconvenience them.

              These initiatives violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and they should therefore all be struck down by the Supreme Court in bulk.  DOMA is unconstitutional and therefore should be struck down by the Supreme Court.

              We need to elect Democratic presidents who will be able to appoint a rational Court majority that can pass these decisions and invalidate this tyranny of the majority.  And black Americans are an important voting block that will help us elect those Democrats, because by and large this is not a single-issue dealbreaker for voters of any color.

          •  It will not work because there is no way that (0+ / 0-)

            is going to happen.  There is no way that even a very religious minority is going to stay home or vote for Mitten just because the President is is favor of Marriage Equality.

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            by wishingwell on Thu May 10, 2012 at 11:58:24 AM PDT

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    •  by "economy", we mean "tax cuts for the rich" (3+ / 0-)
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      Barack Obama: The Democratic Reagan.
      Mitt Romney: The Republican Dukakis.

      by Orbital Mind Control Lasers on Thu May 10, 2012 at 10:37:01 AM PDT

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