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  •  What matters is a matter of culture (7+ / 0-)

    The Bible is used as a weapon of words that keeps a certain line of traditional thinkers in line.  

    Millions and tens of millions have been raised and spent in a drive to push society and culture in a certain direction.  

    The linkage between those we believe they have a duty to save America, and those who simply see the numbers as useful as a front line in service to advancing the cause of special interests, is a powerful, powerful force in politics.  

    When progressive candidates are lucky to be able to gather in a few thousand dollars in donations, and face well funded GOP candidates willing to shill for the lowest common denominators in order to cash in with millions in PAC funds, there may be GOP winners.  

    That is why it matters.  Not inherently or intellectually, but it is a profound propaganda driver.

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sun May 13, 2012 at 01:17:07 PM PDT

    •  I don't really agree (17+ / 0-)

      The religious debate is a red herring. Any time we have seen progress it has been when faithiness has been set aside and law and constitutionality has been promoted. The anti-miscegenation laws were based in faithiness, their overturning was constitution-based. Segregation? Faithiness (babylon yadda yadda). Integration? Constitution. There are probably dozens of examples over the past 100 years. In all of these cases, the popular faithiness-based opinions supported the discrimination, but the constitution defeated it, and, eventually, popular culture adjusted. We can let popular opinion lead these debates, we have to force progress by invoking our Constitution.

      •  forcing progress means dealing with contest (2+ / 0-)
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        The religious debate is not a red herring, in that real people are using real money and real organizing capacity to push an agenda.

        Pushing back, in favor of the interpretation of the Constititution that seems most realistice, is pushing against a powerful countervailing force.  But to recognize this is to be realistic.

        One doesn't have to engage in a debate over Bible verses in order to join in the struggle for a more progressive future.  

        If that is what you mean, then I agree.  

        But it certainly matters to those who are mobilized by the evangelical right.  To them it is kill or die and they mean it.

        hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

        by Stuart Heady on Sun May 13, 2012 at 03:15:28 PM PDT

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