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  •  Actuallly I was clear (2+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, Larsstephens

    preferred targets/company without ever mentioning steel mills.  My comment was generic not specific, you read into it what you wanted.  You limited a broad context because it suited you for whatever reason.

    And you answer not to cheerlead Romney but attack Obama.  Again, why on a Democratic partisan blog?

    And google steel industry resurgence 1990's or something similar.  

    •  Perhaps my error (0+ / 0-)

      but I thought that "partisan" didn't precisely equate to "propagandist." That this was a discussion, not preaching the gospel to the choir. My own opinion is that you can't effectively defend what you don't fully understand—and understanding means, warts and all. It is only small children who think that the stories come without warts and that Prince Charming never even looked at anyone besides Cinderella. So far as I can tell, politics on all sides is peopled by both the sincere and the smarmy, acting both out of self-interest and for higher purposes. I have no trouble living with shades of gray, and I frankly find the black/white mindset irritating.
      As I've said on these boards in other contexts, it's not like the audience here is made up of Republicans that we are hoping to convert. Or is honest discussion impossible even here?

      Taking your suggestion, I googled "steel industry resurgence 1990s." The results generally support precisely what I said, e.g.:
      "Since the 1970s, growing competition and the increasing availability of alternative materials, such as plastic, slowed steel industry growth; employment in the U.S. steel industry dropped from 2.5 million in 1974 to to less than a million in 1998. ...U.S. steel production has remained constant since the 1970s at about 100 million tons, but 50% of that total is now produced by mini-mill companies. An increase in U.S. demand during the 1990s was largely met by imports, which now account for from about a fifth to a quarter of all steel used annually in the United States. The old-line U.S. steelmakers, ... experienced a string of bankruptcies beginning in the late 1990s, leading to industry and union pressure for protective tariffs, which were imposed by President George W. Bush in 2002 on most steel from non-NAFTA industrialized nations. Later reduced, the tariffs were found in 2003 to be illegal under World Trade Organization rules..." [italics added]

      •  please I am not a small child (2+ / 0-)
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        looking for Prince Charming.   But partisan is still a one sided point of view, people have picked one side here and their language, world views, etc. to to reflect that. But we tend not to refer to Obama's advisors as flunkies.  Or equate Obama's policies to Romney's in their design or imply that they are even worse.

        No one attacked the private ownership of property,  let's face it, that stinks of libruls are all socialist commies.    But there is a difference between private ownership that fosters the greater good of all and private ownership that favors creative destruction.  While not every company will survive forever,  corporate raiders of the 90's were not manufacturers, entrepreneurs or builders of businesses.  They were profit takers, and that makes a difference.

        A steel company that was an absolute loser wouldn't have been picked by Bain.   They thought there was a profit there.  I acknowledged this company needed capital and rennovation.    But the 70's was a very different time for steel than the 90's,  speciality mills didn't necessarily mean little in terms of capital investment, just narrower product lines. I already mentioned that the industry's comeback was by innovating with technology that left many of the jobs behind.   But again,  that doesn't mean that a steel company would automatically bankrupt.

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