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  •  We didn't test them this time (eom) (6+ / 0-)

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    by David Nir on Tue May 15, 2012 at 01:45:28 PM PDT

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    •  Support from the DNC would seem critical. (7+ / 0-)

      And very smart as well because this recall election could make all the difference for the General Election.
         It would certainly be better not to have Walker (and his proclivity for pulling shenanigans) to be the governor of a close swing state.
          But the main thing is excitement and momentum. If we win, it's on our side, if we lose they'll reap big rewards.

         And they'll be a spillover effect to other states with similar dynamics like Ohio, Iowa, and Michigan, and even Florida and Virginia.

         DNC tele# - 877-336-7200.
        e-mail address: www.democrats.org

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Tue May 15, 2012 at 01:58:30 PM PDT

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    •  Wisc is a lot Redder than we Dems care to admit! (9+ / 0-)

      It is tragic that after all Walker has done to the State's economy, public education system and environment that there are so many Wisconsinites who are still willing to keep the Koch addict puppets in offices--but this truly speaks volumes about the change in Wisconsin voters.  I have been volunteering since February 2011, and I have found from the beginning of all this that there is intense enthusiasm among Repugnicans.

      It is sad, but the culture wars begun by Norquist and Rove nearly four decades ago have really been successful in a place like Wisconsin.  I know this is a highly-divided state, but among the Republicans, their hatred of "liberals" and "government" is akin to anything I would have imagined characterizing the South years ago.  When I go door to door canvassing--and actually speak to people-- the Repugs don't seem to care that they are voting against their own self-interests--they are simply voting for the Republican Brand.  In essence, Rove, Norquist, Walker and all their ilk seem to have quite successfully convinced these folks that "Democrats equal Losers."  

      For me, just like Michelle Bachmann is NOT "Minnesota Nice"  I would say the same of many of these folks who support Scott Walker and Paul Ryan's sick (corporate) agenda.  

      We Democrats must start realizing  and come to grips with the idea that there are a lot more Republicans out there than we are willing to admit.  Feingold didn't lose by some nearly double-digit point  margin for nothing.  And this will be re-confirmed if Walker wins again.  This is not the same Wisconsin--or America--that existed 20 or 30 years ago.  Reagan would be a commie pinko to these folks today.  Again, I realize that Wisconsin is deeply divided between red and blue--but too many Republicans in Wisconsin and elsewhere are proud of their hatred of anything to the left of the TeaParty.

      •  Are you new? Those of us here (5+ / 0-)

        all of lives don't need to start realizing it.  We've lived it.  Most of my long life here in Wisconsin, I've had Republican governors (and, yes, Democratic senators).  

        What's new is that we do not have a moderate Republican governor.  We have a zealot, and not only about his party.  We never before have had a governor who boasts of being an evangelical Christian.

        Wisconsinites have not in past talked about talking with God.  We were too humble to think that he had time for us; we were supposed to be the ones making time for Him.

        In sum, the political partisan terms are not sufficient to describe the difference.  Today, the state long known for being very split by parties but figuring out how to get along and get things done has been taken over by crazies.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Tue May 15, 2012 at 03:25:27 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, you said it well! (3+ / 0-)
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          A moderate has become a weakling in the current Republican way of thinking.   America everywhere has changed--and not for the better in many cases.  And yes, Wisconsin too has changed, which was my point.

          •  No, most of Wisconsin has not changed (3+ / 0-)

            that much.

            Waukesha County has changed -- with huge population growth, and much of it evangelicals.  I was there and watched it happen.

            And Waukesha County, as the fourth-reddest county in the country . . . and with the election corruption a la Kathy Nicklaus, still in charge for the June recall . . . has been enough to win the state.  See Craig Gilbert's analyses at jsonline.com.

            "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

            by Cream City on Tue May 15, 2012 at 07:16:53 PM PDT

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      •  If, republicans are proud of their hatred... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...and that keeps their enthusiasm ragin...then We should fight fire with fire....just think of repugs as vampires...heartless vampires ...ungodly without any loyalty towards America ...they are all about self and those that think as they do...f*ck the rest of us...we consume too much of their air, take up too much of their space and fun....etc...if that does't get your juices flowing and keep your focus to over achieve for this election...then we are done...stick a fork in us.

        Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

        by kalihikane on Tue May 15, 2012 at 09:26:18 PM PDT

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